The Lodge to Thornhill Road

[mikejee]

This Photo in birmingham Images is Labelled "Description:The Lodge House to Thornhill Road which was the house of Miss Anne Boulton, daughter of Matthew Boulton, built in 1826. In 1881 Thomas Wetherley, a 55 year-old gardener lived here with his wife and son.".



Here is a map from a little after , in 1887. I am not quite clear where the photo was taken , but it is obvious that the House must be the one at the end of the Road

 

[Astoness]

mike is that the thornhill road thats off soho road just trying to place where it may have been on st view

lyn

 

[A Sparks]

mike is that the thornhill road thats off soho road just trying to place where it may have been on st view

lyn

I was just wondering that!
There was a Police station in the Handsworth one wasn't there, that's what I associate it with!

 

[Astoness]

I was just wondering that!
There was a Police station in the Handsworth one wasn't there, that's what I associate it with!

yes police station still there sparks...looking at mikes map again i can just see where it says soho handsworth on the right so it must be that one

lyn

 

[mikejee]

Yes, the one off Soho Road. You can see the railway line nearby on the map

 

[Richard Dye]

Went there a few times and Canterbury Road for throwing stones at street lights

 

[A Sparks]

More on the Lodge here....

A large 5-bay Georgian house stood between what is now Waverhill Road and Holliday Road in extensive grounds. Thornhill House was bought by Matthew Boulton in 1793 and subsequently let to James Watt Junior who had it refurbished.
1818 Boulton's daughter Ann moved in when Watt moved to Aston Hall. By 1829 the house was in use as Handsworth Technical School. It was demolished in 1900.



From this page..

Thorn Hill, Soho

Shown south of Soho Hill on the First Edition Ordnance Survey map of 1834, this is a common self-explanatory placename. The thorn referred to is hawthorn or whitethorn whose striking white scented blossom marks the beginning of spring. The blossom is known as may blossom and this, rather than...

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The house looks different from mikejee's photograph but maybe taken round the back?

 

[Astoness]

hi sparks i dont think thats our lodge which was on thornhill road...the link you posted is about thornhill house which was between waverhill road and holliday road unless i have miss understood your post which is quite possible...lyn

Thornhill Rd · Handsworth, Birmingham

Handsworth, Birmingham

www.google.com

 

[A Sparks]

hi sparks i dont think thats our lodge which was on thornhill road...the link you posted is about thornhill house which was between waverhill road and holliday road unless i have miss understood your post which is quite possible...lyn

Thornhill Rd · Handsworth, Birmingham

Handsworth, Birmingham

www.google.com

Ah yes, sorry!
It was the mention of James Watt's daughter Ann living there on both photos that confused me.

 

[A Sparks]

I wonder if the original photo posted would be on the corner of Thornhill Road just across from Handsworth Park?

 

[Astoness]

I wonder if the original photo posted would be on the corner of Thornhill Road just across from Handsworth Park?

i agree sparks i thought that yesterday.. somewhere near the holly road entrance to the park

lyn

lyn

 

[Pedrocut]

The 1880's OS Map showing Thornhill House. Thornhill Road has not yet come into existence. Surveyed 1886-88.

 

[Pedrocut]

In 1886 there appears to be a Samuel Vale at Thornhill Lodge, Soho Road, an old Soho worthy.

 

[mikejee]

The 1880's OS Map showing Thornhill House. Thornhill Road has not yet come into existence. Surveyed 1886-88.


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The map I posted on post 1 is the same map , but on a larger scale. I assume that there dates given by the OS are correct (1886), so the photo must have been taken somewhere at the end of Thornhill road, which is named on the larger scale map

 

[Pedrocut]

I don’t think it is the same map but the same date, as Thornhill Road is not named on the one in post 12. However there is a gap in the houses, after the Almshouses where there is a Trig Point, this could well be Thornhill Road as it is mentioned as early 1881.

(The Almshouses were constructed in 1874)

 

[mikejee]

It is quite common for minor roads not to be named on smaller scale maps. Obviously the smaller scale maps are simplified, and some minor outhouses are not present, but there seems to be no basic difference if you look at them at around the same magnification

 

[Pedrocut]

Yes, the map of lesser scale in post 12 shows the situation of Thornhill House in relation to the Lodge. It is in addition to map of larger scale and the existence and position of Thornhill Road acknowledged to exist prior to the issue of the map in at least 1881.

 

[Pete Elliott]

mike is that the thornhill road thats off soho road just trying to place where it may have been on st view

lyn

I used to go to St. Michael’s school from about 1956 when I was 5, until 1962 when 11, in later years I ( 1989 ) I obtained a job in security and the boss was an ex Bobby from Thornhill road and was probably the one that crossed us over the zebra crossing as part of his first duties, happy days

 

[Eric Gibson]

I wonder if the title to the thread should read The Lodge to Thornhill House instead of Thornhill Road. Manor houses had lodges remote from the main house.

 

[mikejee]

That is true Eric. but the title was that which the photo originally had when I saw it

 

[Eric Gibson]

Reading about Soho led me to this and an interesting half hour reading. https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/50165/birmingham_connection/1579/archives_of_soho