Not really surprising with respect to this pub, as it is a beerhouse (see licensing board), and these were not normally named in directoriesStruggling to find a Gardeners in Birmingham Directories from 1855 to 1910.
Not really surprising with respect to this pub, as it is a beerhouse (see licensing board), and these were not normally named in directoriesStruggling to find a Gardeners in Birmingham Directories from 1855 to 1910.
Not really surprising with respect to this pub, as it is a beerhouse (see licensing board), and these were not normally named in directories
Now fixated on the lamp above the door ! It just isn’t right. Such a large and elaborate lamp for such an, allegedly, small concern. I still believe this was once part of a larger pub. Viv.
But the photo in Post 2 suggests Lines's were the brewers?A "globe" is also shown in Post 2 for the Gardeners Arms in Solihull.
Bearing the photo in post 2, I suggest that lantern was more of an optional choice for pubs and places, in particular those that wanted to be seen and easily found. We need to consider than in those far off days street lighting, by gas, was not what we experience today ( light pollution in fact) and the streets were generally, in the more residential areas, poorly lit, The older types of gas lamp also flickered, especially when a mantle needed replacing.Now fixated on the lamp above the door ! It just isn’t right. Such a large and elaborate lamp for such an, allegedly, small concern. I still believe this was once part of a larger pub. Viv.
Bearing the photo in post 2, I suggest that lantern was more of an optional choice for pubs and places, in particular those that wanted to be seen and easily found. We need to consider than in those far off days street lighting, by gas, was not what we experience today ( light pollution in fact) and the streets were generally, in the more residential areas, poorly lit, The older types of gas lamp also flickered, especially when a mantle needed replacing.
Given that there was some sort of brewery (pub or seller) every 100 yards it seems I also suggest that the large lantern, giving out a reasonable light might be an advert for the place in itself and we now that we humans are often drawn to a light of some type. Most of us don't like the dark!
I wonder what the business next door did? Was it another string to Mr. Evans' bow?
My family are also searching for info on the Gardeners Arms as we know our Grandfather Alfred Bennett said he was born in that Pub as his father ( same name ) was the Publican .The word on the side of the lamp looks like Showells. This was a brewery started in Oldbury but at some time operated in Birmingham. The name appears in a number of threads but I haven't found anything to identify the pub.
Further info - see http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=List_of_Showell's_Brewery_Co_Ltd_pubs
The Gardeners Arms appears to have been in Bloomsbury Street (Aston/Nechells area) but I wouldn't know if this was the pub in the photo.
Our Gt Grandfather Alfred Bennett was a Publican at the Gardeners Arms in (Aston area) our Grandad his son also named Alf told family he was born in the Pub .thanks mike i was getting confused lol....given the fact that Kelly's Directory 1913 lists a Herbert Evans, Beer Retailer at 157, Moseley Street birmingham i think the gardeners arms in my photo was taken in birmingham but as kellys do not give the name of the pub it may not have been in moseley street there again it may have been mike is it possible to post a map showing 157 moseley street please...just wondered if it was a small or large property...thanks mike
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