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The Clock - Bickenhill
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lindyloo
master brummie
I had a look for info and came up with this from a Fact File...
"Bickenhill has 3 inns in 1839. The only surviving pub is The Clock Inn, a modern mock Tudor roadside pub built in 1961. Originally it was near the church but moved to take advantage of the turnpike road traffic"
I also found that in 1868 it was run by a Thomas Dutton. In 1888 it was Miss Ann Smart and in 1912 it was Thomas Reynolds.
The Clock was one of the first pubs I went to on a regular basis back in 1978 and I spent many a happy hour there. Whenever I pass it now it brings back many memories and I for one will be very sad to see it go.
"Bickenhill has 3 inns in 1839. The only surviving pub is The Clock Inn, a modern mock Tudor roadside pub built in 1961. Originally it was near the church but moved to take advantage of the turnpike road traffic"
I also found that in 1868 it was run by a Thomas Dutton. In 1888 it was Miss Ann Smart and in 1912 it was Thomas Reynolds.
The Clock was one of the first pubs I went to on a regular basis back in 1978 and I spent many a happy hour there. Whenever I pass it now it brings back many memories and I for one will be very sad to see it go.
sistersue61
master brummie
I read that too Lindyloo, but dismissed it, as dad used to drink there well before 1961, he says it hasn't moved since he drank there as a young man, so not too sure about the validity of that article.
Sue
Sue
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BernardR
Guest
This is so frustrating - I have searched and searched but there seems to be a common source stating 1961. I will be with a family on Monday some of whose members may be able to shed some light. As it is a double funeral I may not get the chance to ask.
sistersue61
master brummie
Sorry to hear about the double funeral Bernie, hope all goes well.
Dadis trying to think when he would have been drinking there and if he can remember any of its history too.
Sue
Dadis trying to think when he would have been drinking there and if he can remember any of its history too.
Sue
lindyloo
master brummie
it confused me too Sue, because I always thought it was older than that and when I used to go there we used to use the downstairs room and I'm thinking that somewhere in the dusty corners of my memory, it was said that originally the room was servants quarters (but I cannot guarantee that is right) I know a guy who used to run it so if I can get hold of him maybe he will know something....bear with me.
Edit: I have a phone number.I will call him tomorrow.
lindyloo
master brummie
Just found this which shows it as being on the Coventry Road (where it is now ) in 1882.
I also found a news article from 2008, re; the airport expansion. It says the manager said it was a shame the 80 year old building might be knocked down...so that makes it 1928 !!
Lots of conflicting stories..if I get chance tomorrow I might take a trip to the local library and see if they have anything on the pub.
I also found a news article from 2008, re; the airport expansion. It says the manager said it was a shame the 80 year old building might be knocked down...so that makes it 1928 !!
Lots of conflicting stories..if I get chance tomorrow I might take a trip to the local library and see if they have anything on the pub.
B
BernardR
Guest
We need some old maps.
lindyloo
master brummie
Bernie, why didnt I think of that !!!:unconscious:
Here are three, one from 1886-1888 (earliest I have found so far) one from 1937 and the other is from 1954.
There is a difference in that it seems the building has moved back from its original position which has allowed for the front car park..as is today, so maybe when the road was altered the pub was rebuilt ???
Here are three, one from 1886-1888 (earliest I have found so far) one from 1937 and the other is from 1954.
There is a difference in that it seems the building has moved back from its original position which has allowed for the front car park..as is today, so maybe when the road was altered the pub was rebuilt ???
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BernardR
Guest
I have a vague recollection that it was 'moved' but what is confusing is the claim that it used to be close to the Church. Maybe there have been a total of 3 locations with the last two being pretty close to each other?
brummie nick
master brummie
There's a Clock Inn Bickenhill on the 1851 census.
Thomas DUTTON Head M 40 M Publican Sheldon-WarJeane DUTTON Wife M 40 F --- North Witham-Lin
John DUTTON Son - 10 M Schl Elmdon-War
Isaac DUTTON Son - 8 M Schl Elmdon-War
Jeane (Junr) DUTTON Daur - 6 F Schl Elmdon-War
Betsy DUTTON Daur - 2 F --- Elmdon-War
Cecelia DUTTON Daur - 1 F --- Bickenhill-War
Thomas (Junr) DUTTON Son - 5 M Schl Elmdon-War
Emma EDWARDS Serv - 15 F Gen Serv Birmingham-War
Address: Clock Inn,
Census Place: Bickenhill , Warwickshire
Thomas DUTTON Head M 40 M Publican Sheldon-WarJeane DUTTON Wife M 40 F --- North Witham-Lin
John DUTTON Son - 10 M Schl Elmdon-War
Isaac DUTTON Son - 8 M Schl Elmdon-War
Jeane (Junr) DUTTON Daur - 6 F Schl Elmdon-War
Betsy DUTTON Daur - 2 F --- Elmdon-War
Cecelia DUTTON Daur - 1 F --- Bickenhill-War
Thomas (Junr) DUTTON Son - 5 M Schl Elmdon-War
Emma EDWARDS Serv - 15 F Gen Serv Birmingham-War
Address: Clock Inn,
Census Place: Bickenhill , Warwickshire
lindyloo
master brummie
Thanks for the census brummie nick 
Bernie, I didnt get chance to go to the library today, I will try in the week.
I guess it is highly possible that there was one by the church at one time because I believe many churches had inns close by.
I have looked at older maps but nothing has shown up yet.
Bernie, I didnt get chance to go to the library today, I will try in the week.
I guess it is highly possible that there was one by the church at one time because I believe many churches had inns close by.
I have looked at older maps but nothing has shown up yet.
lindyloo
master brummie
Hi Bernie, Sorry about the delay..
I've been to the library today and picked up a copy of "Discovering Bickenhill" by V H T Skipp which is a book put together by a research group in the 1960's.
It says of Inns,
"The three Bickenhill inns shown on the 1839 Tithe map retain their signs, although they are all modern buildings. These are The Waggon and Horses, The Clock and The Tavern.
The Clock was originally situated in Church Bickenhill village but was moved, probably in the early 19th century, to catch the custom of the Turnpike Road."
I have done a bigger drawing of the picture which accompanied the notes, showing where The Clock was and its present position.
I havent found any more info on the pub when it was in the actual village, but the researchers have placed it on the map (same place as it is now) using the 1841 census and info from the 1833 rate assessment, The Tithe Map of 1839 and a Post office Directory for 1845. They record it as The Clock Inn- John Docker (owner) ....William Hobley (Householders name) and Inn Keeper (occupation),
So I guess it has been in its present position since at least 1833.
I've been to the library today and picked up a copy of "Discovering Bickenhill" by V H T Skipp which is a book put together by a research group in the 1960's.
It says of Inns,
"The three Bickenhill inns shown on the 1839 Tithe map retain their signs, although they are all modern buildings. These are The Waggon and Horses, The Clock and The Tavern.
The Clock was originally situated in Church Bickenhill village but was moved, probably in the early 19th century, to catch the custom of the Turnpike Road."
I have done a bigger drawing of the picture which accompanied the notes, showing where The Clock was and its present position.
I havent found any more info on the pub when it was in the actual village, but the researchers have placed it on the map (same place as it is now) using the 1841 census and info from the 1833 rate assessment, The Tithe Map of 1839 and a Post office Directory for 1845. They record it as The Clock Inn- John Docker (owner) ....William Hobley (Householders name) and Inn Keeper (occupation),
So I guess it has been in its present position since at least 1833.
B
BernardR
Guest
Many thanks for that Linda. Great work.
sistersue61
master brummie
Linda that's interesting news, thanks for all your hard work!
Sue
Sue
lindyloo
master brummie
Hi Toby, Welcome aboard !!
Thank you so much for posting your information, it helps a lot. :adoration:
It dispels the "Fact File" information that I found and put in post #3 (being built in 1961), because as you were there in 1959, you would have known if it was rebuilt and going with your thoughts that it was 1930's, that would fit with the news article of 2008 at post #8, where the manager at the time said it was 80 years old (1928)
So by my reckoning the answer to Maris' original question back in April, would be that The Clock is probably about 84 years old.
It was still standing when I passed there a few weeks ago and I felt quite sad knowing that the next time I pass by, it might not be there :upset:
Your father would have been licensee when I used to go there.
Thank you so much for posting your information, it helps a lot. :adoration:
It dispels the "Fact File" information that I found and put in post #3 (being built in 1961), because as you were there in 1959, you would have known if it was rebuilt and going with your thoughts that it was 1930's, that would fit with the news article of 2008 at post #8, where the manager at the time said it was 80 years old (1928)
So by my reckoning the answer to Maris' original question back in April, would be that The Clock is probably about 84 years old.
It was still standing when I passed there a few weeks ago and I felt quite sad knowing that the next time I pass by, it might not be there :upset:
Your father would have been licensee when I used to go there.
lindyloo
master brummie
ositive:
Ray Barrett
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN R.I.P.
When my father took over the business was pretty run down. The kitchen was overrun with cockroaches. The gardens were a jungle. The whole place needed a makeover (which it got). I would guess it had been a flagship pub when it was built, and then, during and after the war, had gone down. I'm so sorry it has gone. We were very happy there. It was a thriving concern when my father left.
Hi,
First-time poster here, reviving this old thread, because I'm researching my mother's family tree - Duttons - and I think these Duttons at The Clock may be my ancestors. I've found some Dutton stuff on the 1861 Census (from Genes Reunited), which ties up with the above, but I can't find any of the relevant names when searching the 1851 census. How did you get the above 1851 Census info?
Mike Mooney
brummie nick
master brummie
I have the 1851 census on a CD,
Nick
Nick
OK. I have access to the 1851 myself at the moment via my Genes Reunited membership, and I can search it, but don't find those particular Duttons, which seems odd, given the above. How did you find the quoted information (e.g. can you search via address - such as The Clock Inn)?
brummie nick
master brummie
I think I found it by location. have found two more Duttons George & Jacob, are they yours?
Head: DUTTON, George Neighbors 291717
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
George DUTTON Head M 46 M Ag Lab Sheldon-War
Harriet DUTTON Wife M 42 F Dressmaker Middleton-War
Maryann DUTTON Daur - 10 F Schl Solihull-War
Harriet DUTTON Daur - 6 F Schl Elmdon-War
Eliza DUTTON Daur - 4 F Schl Elmdon-War
William DUTTON Son - 2 M --- Elmdon-War
Address: ---, Meridan
Census Place: Sheldon Meridan, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2063 Folio: 141 Page: 2 FHL Film: 0087322
Head: DUTTON, Jacob Neighbors 291755
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
Jacob DUTTON Head M 45 M Basketmaker Sheldon-War
Mary DUTTON Wife M 41 F --- Sheldon-War
William C. DUTTON Son - 14 M Asst Basketmaker Sheldon-War
John DUTTON Son - 11 M Schl Sheldon-War
Rhoda E. DUTTON Daur - 7 F Schl Sheldon-War
Eliza DUTTON Daur - 4 F Schl Sheldon-War
Jacob DUTTON Son - 2 M --- Sheldon-War
Address: ---, Meridan
Census Place: Sheldon Meridan, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2063 Folio: 147 Page: 15 FHL Film: 0087322
Head: DUTTON, George Neighbors 291717
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
George DUTTON Head M 46 M Ag Lab Sheldon-War
Harriet DUTTON Wife M 42 F Dressmaker Middleton-War
Maryann DUTTON Daur - 10 F Schl Solihull-War
Harriet DUTTON Daur - 6 F Schl Elmdon-War
Eliza DUTTON Daur - 4 F Schl Elmdon-War
William DUTTON Son - 2 M --- Elmdon-War
Address: ---, Meridan
Census Place: Sheldon Meridan, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2063 Folio: 141 Page: 2 FHL Film: 0087322
Head: DUTTON, Jacob Neighbors 291755
Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
Jacob DUTTON Head M 45 M Basketmaker Sheldon-War
Mary DUTTON Wife M 41 F --- Sheldon-War
William C. DUTTON Son - 14 M Asst Basketmaker Sheldon-War
John DUTTON Son - 11 M Schl Sheldon-War
Rhoda E. DUTTON Daur - 7 F Schl Sheldon-War
Eliza DUTTON Daur - 4 F Schl Sheldon-War
Jacob DUTTON Son - 2 M --- Sheldon-War
Address: ---, Meridan
Census Place: Sheldon Meridan, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2063 Folio: 147 Page: 15 FHL Film: 0087322
They could be, it's the right area. Not direct grandparent line, but could be related. Will follow these up, thanks. I've been Googling for old pictures of The Clock, but there's nothing of the old pub, just the mock Tudor one that replaced it.
Hi Janice, thanks for that. I would never have thought to look for Daltons (assuming they ARE really Duttons, which seems likely given the other info). Some of the information on the census and BMD records is amazingly inaccurate!
Mike