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The Bull Price Street/ Loveday Street
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sistersue61
master brummie
Nice to see there have been no massive changes though - wonder if the steps are the same.............................................
Sue
Sue
Nice to see there have been no massive changes though - wonder if the steps are the same.............................................
Sue
frothy should know sue...
ellbrown
ell brown on Flickr
I think this is the same view (but modern as it is now)
The Bull - Gun Quarter by ell brown, on Flickr
The Bull - Gun Quarter by ell brown, on Flickr
Frothblower
Lubrication In Moderation
Sue and Lyn.... Behave yourselves 
hi folks with the help of mikejee i am trying to compile a list of previous landlords of the bull for the present landlady rose as she would love to frame the list and put it up in the pub...this may interest our member katrina as her 4 x gt grandfather joseph showell had the pub from 1810 to 1827...what i dont know is if katrina knows that there were other members of the showell family who ran it after joseph showell...here is the list so far...after 1965 i will need to go to the libary to check the electoral rolls for the landlords...joseph showell was the first recorded landlord although it has been serving ale since 1729
ALSO I SHALL BE POSTING A PHOTO LATER ON OF THE BULL TAKEN IN 1935 AND ABOVE THE DOOR YOU CAN SEE THE LANDLORD IS GEORGE HERBERT QUIBELL....
JOSEPH SHOWELL 1810 TO 1827
WALTER SHOWELL 1827 TO 1833
ELIZA ANN SHOWELL 1837 TO 1839
THOMAS SHOWELL 1839 TO 1847
JOHN FULFORD 1849 TO 1876
JOHN FULFORD AND SON 1878 TO 1897
EDWIN EDDINGTON 1899
WILLIAM HENRY EVANS 1900 TO 1905
CHARLES W TURNER.....1908
TOM COLLINS....1910 TO 1915
HARRY AND EMMA BAKER..1916
ALFRED J LLIFF....1920 TO 1927
ALITHEA LLIFF..1930
GEORGE HERBERT QUIBELL...1932 TO 1949
LESLIE LEWIS NICHOLLS...1950 TO 1963
GEORGE MURRAY...1965
ROBERT R DYKE..1967 TO 1982..
ALSO I SHALL BE POSTING A PHOTO LATER ON OF THE BULL TAKEN IN 1935 AND ABOVE THE DOOR YOU CAN SEE THE LANDLORD IS GEORGE HERBERT QUIBELL....
JOSEPH SHOWELL 1810 TO 1827
WALTER SHOWELL 1827 TO 1833
ELIZA ANN SHOWELL 1837 TO 1839
THOMAS SHOWELL 1839 TO 1847
JOHN FULFORD 1849 TO 1876
JOHN FULFORD AND SON 1878 TO 1897
EDWIN EDDINGTON 1899
WILLIAM HENRY EVANS 1900 TO 1905
CHARLES W TURNER.....1908
TOM COLLINS....1910 TO 1915
HARRY AND EMMA BAKER..1916
ALFRED J LLIFF....1920 TO 1927
ALITHEA LLIFF..1930
GEORGE HERBERT QUIBELL...1932 TO 1949
LESLIE LEWIS NICHOLLS...1950 TO 1963
GEORGE MURRAY...1965
ROBERT R DYKE..1967 TO 1982..
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Hi Lynn
Thank you for the info. According to my family history, Walter Showell was Josephs 5th child and died in 1835 a few months after his father. Eliza Ann nee Breakspear was his wife, she was the daughter of John Breakspear, victualler of various pubs in Hertfordshire and closely connected to the Breakspear brewers in Henley. When Eliza took over the pub she would have been about 25yrs old and had a 5yr old child (also called Walter) he was her second son the first having died at 9 month's. She remarried in 1840 so this is probably why Thomas took over. I think Thomas Showell was Walter's brother and not his nephew Thomas because of the ages. It was Eliza's son Walter who set up Showell's brewery in the city. He also wrote Showell's Dictionary of Birmingham. That is all I know down to my dad George Edwards (son of Rosina Showell) who was also a licensed victualler, running the Crosskeys in Jamaica row and the Eagle in Park Lane in the 1960's. My family seem to have loved their beer, I am a G&T girl myself! I have tried to download a poster of Showell's brewery with no joy.
Katrina
Thank you for the info. According to my family history, Walter Showell was Josephs 5th child and died in 1835 a few months after his father. Eliza Ann nee Breakspear was his wife, she was the daughter of John Breakspear, victualler of various pubs in Hertfordshire and closely connected to the Breakspear brewers in Henley. When Eliza took over the pub she would have been about 25yrs old and had a 5yr old child (also called Walter) he was her second son the first having died at 9 month's. She remarried in 1840 so this is probably why Thomas took over. I think Thomas Showell was Walter's brother and not his nephew Thomas because of the ages. It was Eliza's son Walter who set up Showell's brewery in the city. He also wrote Showell's Dictionary of Birmingham. That is all I know down to my dad George Edwards (son of Rosina Showell) who was also a licensed victualler, running the Crosskeys in Jamaica row and the Eagle in Park Lane in the 1960's. My family seem to have loved their beer, I am a G&T girl myself! I have tried to download a poster of Showell's brewery with no joy.
Katrina
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hi katrina i did wonder if your showells also set up showells dictionary and as i now know it was walter then i am even more convinced that showells gardens in nechells (off nechells park road) must be named after your showell family...by the way my family history tells me that my lot also loved their ale lol...i really must get to the library to add the later landlords to the list and bring it up to date..rose has been at the bull for 20 years now so not many years to fill in..
lyn
lyn
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Hi lynni hope you will excuse me for butting on your thread just reading you are saying show ell had it from 1810 to 1827
This being the cross keys pub no, 91 Jamaica row corner of sherlock street
But I have it listed with 25 pubs around the bull ring with picture and details of the dates and managers and it was an ansells house
And these two managers was listed as 1. And 2. First one was 1924 as. G j bunn and number 2 was. J,w, jesson. In. 1944.
These are the licencees listed as managers for an sells breweries and published in the book called the bull ring remembered
By victor j price a well known reputable historian on Birmingham he as several good books which I required from the huge collection of Alton Douglas,s collection
I acquired a couple of weeks back along with others and its all about the heart of the Birmingham and market area
On the subject of the bull if my memory serves me correct around the mid 65 period there was a family of people
In fact I think it was brother and sister both worked at buttons limited in Portland street and they came from king standing and they took on the bull
I just cannot recall there name at the moment but they took it on ,and prior to that yet again if my memory serves me correctly
IIT was run by a couple and family by the name of Rowlands whom
Was the previous ones to this couple the Rowlands then moved to the kings Norton social club way back then for area years
Then they moved out and bought the grove hotel on Hagley road. Edgbaston and bought the big house on city rd. All those years back
And I know Bryan and his wife whom smokes cigars daily very well this was in the seventhys and he bought the old smithy hotel directly
Next door to the grove I know area years back Bryan and his family was speaking to go down to the coast to live and retire
That was many years ago now whether they are still alive I do not know well KT as to be a good thirty years down the ,line
But his kids was young so I do not know today whether they still run the business
I hope you did not mind me butting in I just thought it was two conflicting with the dates many thanks Alan,, astonian,,,,,
This being the cross keys pub no, 91 Jamaica row corner of sherlock street
But I have it listed with 25 pubs around the bull ring with picture and details of the dates and managers and it was an ansells house
And these two managers was listed as 1. And 2. First one was 1924 as. G j bunn and number 2 was. J,w, jesson. In. 1944.
These are the licencees listed as managers for an sells breweries and published in the book called the bull ring remembered
By victor j price a well known reputable historian on Birmingham he as several good books which I required from the huge collection of Alton Douglas,s collection
I acquired a couple of weeks back along with others and its all about the heart of the Birmingham and market area
On the subject of the bull if my memory serves me correct around the mid 65 period there was a family of people
In fact I think it was brother and sister both worked at buttons limited in Portland street and they came from king standing and they took on the bull
I just cannot recall there name at the moment but they took it on ,and prior to that yet again if my memory serves me correctly
IIT was run by a couple and family by the name of Rowlands whom
Was the previous ones to this couple the Rowlands then moved to the kings Norton social club way back then for area years
Then they moved out and bought the grove hotel on Hagley road. Edgbaston and bought the big house on city rd. All those years back
And I know Bryan and his wife whom smokes cigars daily very well this was in the seventhys and he bought the old smithy hotel directly
Next door to the grove I know area years back Bryan and his family was speaking to go down to the coast to live and retire
That was many years ago now whether they are still alive I do not know well KT as to be a good thirty years down the ,line
But his kids was young so I do not know today whether they still run the business
I hope you did not mind me butting in I just thought it was two conflicting with the dates many thanks Alan,, astonian,,,,,
Lots of great info coming out here. I'm chuffed that Katrina has a personal connection with the BHF Christmas meet pub. And so good to see her connection to our dear Showells and his dictionary. Wow, this gets better and better. Nice to see the pub being carried on through the same families way back too. I can't find any landlords in my tree, but they sure could sup their ale regardless. My nan swore by it, regarded it as a daily medicine! Viv.
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You might try and contact https://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/contact/ The site has a lot of pub histories and, I suspect, the owners have more material that isn't on site - if only because I've seen material in King's Heath Library that was printed from the site and isn't on the site.
couple of snippets here about the bull or bulls head as it was once called..1st one dated 1861 where an inquest was held at the pub..no idea where the unfortunate man was a beer keeper..
2nd one dated july 1833 where mr w showell is selling a dennet gig and i have no idea what that is..
lyn
Hi Lynn
I looked via google and found that a Dennet was an English made gig used for general transport around the town and country. Have been unable to download an image.
The suicide sounded very suspicious to me - who commits suicide by cutting around the back of their neck?
I am enjoying all these snippets about the Bull, it all adds interest to my family history docs.
I looked via google and found that a Dennet was an English made gig used for general transport around the town and country. Have been unable to download an image.
The suicide sounded very suspicious to me - who commits suicide by cutting around the back of their neck?
I am enjoying all these snippets about the Bull, it all adds interest to my family history docs.
brummie nick
master brummie
There's a picture of the gig on this site 5th one down.
https://www.swingletree.co.uk/carriages(2).htm
thanks nick now i know what a dennet and gig is learn something everyday..
katrina i thought that suicide looked a tad iffey to me too...very strange...will see if i can find anymore snippets about the bull or your rellies...
i really do recommend the british newspaper archives as they can add so much info to our family reasearch..think its under a tenner for a months subs but until one min to midnight tonight you can sign up for a month for a quid...well worth it..
lyn
katrina i thought that suicide looked a tad iffey to me too...very strange...will see if i can find anymore snippets about the bull or your rellies...
i really do recommend the british newspaper archives as they can add so much info to our family reasearch..think its under a tenner for a months subs but until one min to midnight tonight you can sign up for a month for a quid...well worth it..
lyn
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had an email from them katrina with the code..SEPT14 not sure though if only previous subsribers to the site are getting these offers..
Lyn
The Black horse was in Price st, but in the 1862 directory a Mrs Jane Worley was a beer retailer at 54 Price St, probably a beerhouse. The dennet gig is described below, though it seems to have been done already.
Katrina
this is quoted from another forum, but seems you'd better get down to it before midnight:
BNA are offering 1 month for £1 again - code SEPT14 - apply before 23h59 (GMT) on Sunday 28 September
The Black horse was in Price st, but in the 1862 directory a Mrs Jane Worley was a beer retailer at 54 Price St, probably a beerhouse. The dennet gig is described below, though it seems to have been done already.
Katrina
this is quoted from another forum, but seems you'd better get down to it before midnight:
BNA are offering 1 month for £1 again - code SEPT14 - apply before 23h59 (GMT) on Sunday 28 September
Lyn
Sorry, I missed out about the landlords. I think it very likely that they were the landlords, but you can't be absolutely certain, because other people are often listed at that address in the census and electoral rolls , for example the nicholls family for years before Quibell took over, were living there. So put them in with a query just in case/
Sorry, I missed out about the landlords. I think it very likely that they were the landlords, but you can't be absolutely certain, because other people are often listed at that address in the census and electoral rolls , for example the nicholls family for years before Quibell took over, were living there. So put them in with a query just in case/
thanks mike i shall leave harry and emma baker off the list for now..will try and confirm it because although its likely they were the landlords we are not sure ...i didnt know there was black horse pub in price st though wonder where abouts it was..its such a tiny st that we can walk the length of in a min unless of course it was shortened over time as i think brewery st was..going off a bit here im sure you sent me an old map showing that the other half of brewery st was where cecil st is now but i cant seem to find the map...will try and find it to put my mind at rest on that...
lyn
lyn
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