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Sparkbrook 1881/1891 census

Yes, 1886 in Wisconsin but I can't see it.

There are a couple of anomalies. Firstly, Mary Jane's mother is listed as Ann on her baptism which I think is incorrect. Jane Downes had a sister Ann but she was already married by 1862. She is definitely listed as the grand daughter of Jane's mother in 1871.

And if Edwin and Mary were in Wisconsin in 1888 it seems unlikely that he is the Edwin mentioned on death certificate but it could be the father. I'm not sure if a relationship is given.
 
MWS said:
Mary Jane Downes b1862 would possibly be Jane's daughter or Jane and James' daughter. If so and she married Edwin then it would make Edwin Oscar Bryan, James Davies' son-in-law.
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Looked at the births its saying Mary Jane's mother is Ann. But on the 1871 census like you said its showing Grand-daugther to Jane's mother and siblings. Birth cert order time me thinks.
 
MWS said:
Yes, 1886 in Wisconsin but I can't see it.

There are a couple of anomalies. Firstly, Mary Jane's mother is listed as Ann on her baptism which I think is incorrect. Jane Downes had a sister Ann but she was already married by 1862. She is definitely listed as the grand daughter of Jane's mother in 1871.

And if Edwin and Mary were in Wisconsin in 1888 it seems unlikely that he is the Edwin mentioned on death certificate but it could be the father. I'm not sure if a relationship is given.
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Sorry I've just seen this message. Yes I agree with you, if her mum was Ann then surely she would have named her Mary Ann rather than Mary Jane. Ohhh I love a good mystery. Thank you so much
 
Well well, naughty old Jane Downes and James Davies!! Just found the marriage for Mary Jane and Edwin Oscar dated 22 Jun 1886, Bayfields Wisconsin. Parents to Mary Jane, father James Davies mother Jane Davies. They've certainly given me the run about that's for sure and I wouldn't have got this far without all your help. Still confused though that Edwin Oscar's occupation is farmer. Now to check if they went back to the UK in 1888 or like it was suggested by MWS it was Edwin Oscar's father who was present at James death. Doesn't explain the Kellys directory though show Edwin Bryan in Larches Street Sparkbrook. Oh well it will keep me out of trouble today!! :joy:
 
I'm not quite sure what the context is of the name Edwin Bryan appearing on the death certificate or such, but I can't imagine Edwin and Mary being able to travel back from the US in time for the funeral let alone to register the death.

In regards the Will it might have just made things a little easier and fib, giving his son-in-law's address in England rather than America. Alternatively, he may have been at that address when the will was written.
 
MWS said:
I'm not quite sure what the context is of the name Edwin Bryan appearing on the death certificate or such, but I can't imagine Edwin and Mary being able to travel back from the US in time for the funeral let alone to register the death.

In regards the Will it might have just made things a little easier and fib, giving his son-in-law's address in England rather than America. Alternatively, he may have been at that address when the will was written.
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Thanks. I think you might be right. You forget it would take a month of Sundays to travel back. BJMBurns (Janice )has said that Edwin Snr lived at Larches Street as per the Kellys Directory, so I guess Edwin Snr was a fibber and said he was the son-in-law. ;)
 
MWS said:
There is a tree that lists Edwin Oscar Bryan's wife as a Mary Jane Davies. And there is a birth registration for a Mary Jane Downes no mmn registered Ludlow 1862.

On the 1871 census she appears to be listed as the grand daughter of Jane's mother, Mary.
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Just realised that James is on the same census as James Downes grandson.
 
PJay said:
Thanks. I think you might be right. You forget it would take a month of Sundays to travel back. BJMBurns (Janice )has said that Edwin Snr lived at Larches Street as per the Kellys Directory, so I guess Edwin Snr was a fibber and said he was the son-in-law. ;)
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I suppose another possibility is that had come back for some reason and just happened to be in England when James died. As always proving it may be impossible.

There are not many certainties when it comes to ancestry and the further you go back, the fewer they become. Usually, it comes down to probabilities and what people choose to believe.
 
MWS said:
I suppose another possibility is that had come back for some reason and just happened to be in England when James died. As always proving it may be impossible.

There are not many certainties when it comes to ancestry and the further you go back, the fewer they become. Usually, it comes down to probabilities and what people choose to believe.
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I believe that on James Davies's death cert he had bronchitis so I suppose he could have been unwell for a while and word got back to Mary J and Edwin O. I like to think they did (the romantic in me) and used Edwin Snr's address. There's nothing on the passenger list, but there was nothing for them travelling out to the States either.
 
PJay said:
Is that the one showing John and Anne as the parents? Because James was born in Kingsland that one is Wales
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No - widowed grandparent Mary plus her sons John and Clement plus grandchildren James and Mary. Is that right?
 
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