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Smith William, sawyer, Upper Marshall Street 1851 census

I am so grateful for your help….I think the Gosta Green one is well worth me investigating…especially with that pearl button connection. I have had my mind opened up to not jumping to conclusions. To be honest I’ve never heard the name Gosta Green before!
 
Brotog said:
I am so grateful for your help….I think the Gosta Green one is well worth me investigating…especially with that pearl button connection. I have had my mind opened up to not jumping to conclusions. To be honest I’ve never heard the name Gosta Green before!
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The pearl button maker I have found has a wife Ann….not Sarah….is that the one you mean?
 
Brotog said:
The pearl button maker I have found has a wife Ann….not Sarah….is that the one you mean?
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I have found another 1841 census William with wife Sarah and son Edward aged 6, shown as a labourer living in Fazely Street. The 1848 death of Sarah Smith gives her address as Fazely Street. Could be a possibility?
 
No, it's a William, Sarah and 2 children - Thomas and William.

Sarah's age is quite a bit out but 1841 census has a lot of inaccuracies. However, there's no way to know if it's the right family.
 
Brotog said:
I have found another 1841 census William with wife Sarah and son Edward aged 6, shown as a labourer living in Fazely Street. The 1848 death of Sarah Smith gives her address as Fazely Street. Could be a possibility?
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That sounds more likely than the one I found, William had a brother called Edward.

It seems probable that that is the Sarah in the burial but doesn't make it certainly your Sarah.
 
MWS said:
Just seen a baptism for an Edward Smith, son of William and Sarah, Jun 1835 Kenilworth.

Possible death reg. Bham 1846.
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Goodness me….that sounds very hopeful….the birth in Kenilworth, not long after the wedding of 1833, and his death in Birmingham.
I will get into investigating this.
 
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Just seen a baptism for an Edward Smith, son of William and Sarah, Jun 1835 Kenilworth.

Possible death reg. Bham 1846.
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There is a burial in 1846 of an Edward Smith At St Peter and Paul Aston, but Mother is given as Elizabeth (writing very smudged)
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I think it fits this baptism but will look for Kenilworth one
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I searched for the death reg. of Sarah Smith dying in Aston in 1848…found her on free BMD March 1848 but when I tried to order the online cert. It said record not found. Then tried September 1848 on free BMD….no luck.
 

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There is a burial in 1846 of an Edward Smith At St Peter and Paul Aston, but Mother is given as Elizabeth (writing very smudged)
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I think it fits this baptism but will look for Kenilworth one
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Thank you again for everything you’ve done for me. I have had to rewrite 2 pages of my family history and I still haven’t finished using all the information I’ve gained!
 
When William Smith married for the third time to 24 year old Esther Oliver on 25th December 1858 in St. Andrew’s, Bordesley, the two witnesses were Edward Smith and Harriet Smith. I presume Edward was William’s son…but I cannot find a baptism in Kenilworth or Birmingham for a Harriet Smith. I’m wondering if it’s a daughter I don’t know about.
 
I would think that the Edward and Harriet was William's brother and sister in law.

Esther was living in Hatton in 1851 as was Edward and Harriet.
 
MWS said:
I would think that the Edward and Harriet was William's brother and sister in law.

Esther was living in Hatton in 1851 as was Edward and Harriet.
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Thank you for that….I had missed that Esther was born in Warwick! I assume that was Hatton near Warwick?….about 3 miles from Haseley! This is all making more sense!
 
William's parents are listed in Hatton on the censuses.

I wonder if at some stage William lived there as well and perhaps was a lock keeper there, explaining his occ. in 1841.
 
MWS said:
I would think that the Edward and Harriet was William's brother and sister in law.

Esther was living in Hatton in 1851 as was Edward and Harriet.
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I’ve found them in Hatton, 1851! ….but haven’t found Esther ….only an 11 year old who would only be 18 by the time of the marriage, not 24 as stated
 
I had no idea that there were locks in Hatton (I lived out of the country for 35 years)….not only locks but famous locks! That is so interesting considering my great-grandmother Hannah Smith was born in the lock keepers house in Aston!
 
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William's parents are listed in Hatton on the censuses.

I wonder if at some stage William lived there as well and perhaps was a lock keeper there, explaining his occ. in 1841.
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I wish there was a way to find out if indeed he had been a lock keeper at one of the 21 Hatton locks before moving to Adderley Street lock….it seems to me to be too much of a coincidence. It seems, though, that there are no records remaining of canal employees.
 
Usually the only place to see occupations pre 1837 are baptisms, marriages and burials, and then only for a few years and also not always.

With no more known children you'll probably never know for certain. All you can was that he was a labourer in 1835 & 1841 and a lock keeper in 1845. Some times it comes down to what you choose to believe.
 
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