Sheldon

[BettyBs]

Thank You Glenny’s for taking the time and the help in searching and for the contact details, I will be sure to send them an email. Thank ypu also to Astoness, I think i will order a couple as one died a week later, fingers crossed it will shed some light.

 

[Andrew V]

Hi Betty, there are quite a few child graves in St Giles church yard, most are on the right hand side of the path as you enter from the front gates, my aunt who I never met died in a road accident aged 7 as was buried in a triple plot which is where my Nan and grandad now lay in peace, lots of the head stones are readable even though they are well over a 100 years old, they are obvious by the size of the plots, St Giles church yard is a lovely peaceful place, we had my moms ashes put into the grave when she passed away 18 months ago,

 

[pjmburns]

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone could help me? My 2nd Grandaunt had 10 children in total, it appears that four died within a week of each other. They are buried in Sheldon and three died on March 10th 1886 and the other a week later on March 17th. The children Alfred George aged 5, Alice Winifred aged 4, Caroline Maud aged 2.5 and Edwin just under 2. Their parents were George and Hannah England. I am trying to find out what happened to these poor children but all I can find is that there was a tragic accident but no record. Any one have any ideas?

Have found death notice but nothing else so far.

 

[BettyBs]

Thank you so much for your time in searching Janice, I really appreciate it. Also thank you Andrew, I will have to take a trip over to the churchyard one day see if I can find them.

 

[pjmburns]

Did you order any of the death certs to see what the cause of death was?

 

[BettyBs]

Evening Janice,

Yes I have finally ordered two of the four death certificates. Alfred George (5) had bronchitis for 5 days and Edwin (1yr 10m) bronchitis for 10 days. I wonder if it was bronchitis or a similar virus harmful to children? So doesn’t appear to be a tragic accident!

 

[pjmburns]

Does this suggest poor living conditions? Maybe a damp environment breeding chest infections.

 

[Astoness]

hi betty could i ask where you found out that the childrens deaths were due to a tragic accident...certainly the 2 death certs you have do not indicate this and could explain why we cant seem to find any newspapers reports of an accident..

lyn

 

[BettyBs]

Hi Lyn,

I have attached the search I did and the results. This is what led me to believe something tragic had happened such as house fire or burning etc.
I am guessing as it was March it was probably damp, cold conditions and awful environments that they lived in. I have searched for epidemics or pandemics around that year and doesn’t seem like much about. They did have other children at the time so guessing they were either stronger or it didn’t affect the older ages as with many viruses now a days.

 

[Astoness]

thanks betty so it did not exactly say it was an accident ..in this case you are most likely correct in thinking cause of death due to very poor living conditions...alas this was all to common in those days...very very sad for the family to cope with

lyn

 

[BettyBs]

Yes so very said, I’ve had ancestors where the parents have lost a child and the father’s brother within hours of each other from seizures (probably a viral infection). I’ve had a child die from burning, others with rickets but they have mainly been isolated cases. I’ve not known so many children from one family to die so close together.

 

[Astoness]

Yes so very said, I’ve had ancestors where the parents have lost a child and the father’s brother within hours of each other from seizures (probably a viral infection). I’ve had a child die from burning, others with rickets but they have mainly been isolated cases. I’ve not known so many children from one family to die so close together.

cant say as i have ever seen that either although i have seen 1911 census years where it says 10 children born only 2 or 3 living...my gt grandmother died age 28 my gt grandfather was present at death but the next day he died age 32 both from different causes leaving 3 young orphan girls..this was in 1908..thank goodness we have come a long way medically since then

lyn

 

[Vivienne14]

The Glade Sheldon in 1970. The very same street lamp !

 

[Tremanis]

Apologies for belatedly commenting on this thread; only just seen it. Fascinating photos of the old model railway field. I lived on the Coventry Road until '61, opposite Caudle's entrance. Our back garden didn't allow access to the field but a friends garden backed onto it so we used to crawl through the fence into the railway field to play, which was fine when there was nobody about. But the members were very possessive about their field. Sometimes we would crawl through the long grass to watch the miniature engines working but we knew they didn't like us doing that so we used to occasionally look up above the grass to check if they'd seen us only to find that doing so gave us away. They always split up into two groups and run round both sides of the track to catch us. It was sometimes a close call but we always managed to get away. One day, to avoid being caught, I had to crawl through someone else's garden fence, who I vaguely knew, and sprinted up the garden passing this lad & his Mum who were sitting in deck chairs drinking tea, shouted hello and shot out of their side gate onto the Coventry Road. I'm surprised to realise that I didn't know that field was called Campbell Green: it was just the railway field to us kids.

Just seen these photos; One of the photos has a pic of my grandfather : Frederick Lippiatt at the helm of the engine he built from scratch.

 

[rover]

Here is a photo of the original Cabin taken in 1959 when they were building the replacement permanent building. Also a photo of a couple prefabs at the railway bridge end of The Radleys.

Another pic of the Radleys Prefabs..No 112 2nd prefab up from the bridge Joe & Edie Bodens 1st home with son Graham cica 1948

 

[Vivienne14]

Hi oldsheldonian, badpenny, mikejee and Astoness,
Sorry for the delay in replying.. Thank you all so much for your help with the Sheldona and The Ship, it is most appreciated.
When I looked at these a long time ago, I had decided that the Sheldona Cafe was by the Wheatsheaf but I hadn't worked out where The Ship was.
A discussion on another site last week, had led me to doubt my decision, but after reading your posts, I am sure I was right in the first place.
After more searching, I have now found mention of both places in Kelly's Directories.
In 1900 there was no mention of either place.
In 1904 both appear.. The Ship Restaurant... Martha Waters.
and The Sheldona Cafe...John E Hammond. Mr Hammond was also recorded in another 1904 Directory at The Ford House, Coventry Road, so I figured that was the house attached to the Cafe. (Mr Hammond and his wife Ann, led me a merry dance once before in trying to locate The Ideal Cafe further up the Coventry Road in Yardley !!!)
The 1908 Kelly's shows both again, but the Sheldona entry is a bit misleading as it doesnt show an occupant as such.
1912 shows only John Grayland, Restaurant (The Ship), there is no mention of The Sheldona or Mr Hammond.
At that time, there were no buildings on the land across the road from The Three Horseshoes Pub, so they definitely weren't there.
In 1932 Ye Olde Wheatsheaf was at 2225 Coventry Road and John Grayland was at 2159.

I agree that the building shapes on the maps, correspond with the pictures and hopefully my following pictures will show that they do.
Thanks again to you all.. View attachment 109863 View attachment 109864

Two memories of the Ship Cafe

 

[AnnS]

My parents used to walk past the cafe on their way from Swan Yardley to the Cock Inn in the 1940's.

A rather long way for a Sunday stroll....