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Selina/ Sarah Turner 1868-1902
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CanadaAng
proper brummie kid
Hi Janice,
Ada Lavinia Turner was her name. Florence was her sister (Florence stayed in England). The girls were split up. Ada and Samuel lived with the Turners before being turned over as an Orphan, and her sister Florence lived with Selina and her Sister in Law's Family (Annie and Samuel Whitehouse was the last name)? and family, from what have collected. (1901 census). At some point Selina/ Sarah was put in the Aston Union, Ederington workhouse. I am trying to find out if the rest of the family went as well, or if her Grandfather gave her to the orphanage when her father was imprisoned?
Ada Lavinia Turner was her name. Florence was her sister (Florence stayed in England). The girls were split up. Ada and Samuel lived with the Turners before being turned over as an Orphan, and her sister Florence lived with Selina and her Sister in Law's Family (Annie and Samuel Whitehouse was the last name)? and family, from what have collected. (1901 census). At some point Selina/ Sarah was put in the Aston Union, Ederington workhouse. I am trying to find out if the rest of the family went as well, or if her Grandfather gave her to the orphanage when her father was imprisoned?
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MWS
from Bham
Not sure if this has been mentioned.
Though he appears to be listed as single when he married Selina, is it possible that Samuel was married before and also had another daughter?
On the 1891 census there are a Samuel & Mary (nee Dance) with daughter, Lily, living on Lawley St. he is listed as a hawker. Lily's birth is reg. Jun 1889 Bham. Samuel's father is listed as William on his marriage to Mary, not sure if his occupation matches.
On the 1911 census Jane Turner (Samuel's mom) is living with her son in law Christopher Hoar and also there is a Lily Elsie Turner of a similar age to the Lily in 1891, listed as a niece.
On the 1901 she is listed as Elsie L with Jane as a grand daughter.
Though he appears to be listed as single when he married Selina, is it possible that Samuel was married before and also had another daughter?
On the 1891 census there are a Samuel & Mary (nee Dance) with daughter, Lily, living on Lawley St. he is listed as a hawker. Lily's birth is reg. Jun 1889 Bham. Samuel's father is listed as William on his marriage to Mary, not sure if his occupation matches.
On the 1911 census Jane Turner (Samuel's mom) is living with her son in law Christopher Hoar and also there is a Lily Elsie Turner of a similar age to the Lily in 1891, listed as a niece.
On the 1901 she is listed as Elsie L with Jane as a grand daughter.
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i think lily b 1889 is elsie lily turner as states on her baptism...her baptism says samuels address is coleshill st his occupation is fruitier...samuels marr to mary in 1889 gives his address as coleshill st so this does tie in..sorry cant post the bapt as im having problems
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pjmburns
master brummie
Can't find a death (that looks right) for Mary at the minute.
It looks as if the workhouse records have not survived
Aston Workhouse Records
It looks as if the workhouse records have not survived
Aston Workhouse Records
also quote here from marks post 37
On the 1911 census Jane Turner (Samuel's mom) is living with her son in law Christopher Hoar and also there is a Lily Elsie Turner of a similar age to the Lily in 1891, listed as a niece.
i note on the 1901 census posted by jan on post 45 there is also a johnn hoar living as a boarder...maybe more evidence ?
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On the 1911 census Jane Turner (Samuel's mom) is living with her son in law Christopher Hoar and also there is a Lily Elsie Turner of a similar age to the Lily in 1891, listed as a niece.
i note on the 1901 census posted by jan on post 45 there is also a johnn hoar living as a boarder...maybe more evidence ?
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MWS
from Bham
Christopher John Hoar marries Samuel's sister Lily. She's not with them in 1911 but she is with her husband in 1921.
MWS
from Bham
A possible timeline for Samuel...
Feb 1889 marries Mary Dance
Apr 1889 birth of daughter Elsie Lily
Apr 1891 living on Lawley St with W and d.
Dec 1892 marries (bigamously ?) Selina Fulwell
Dec 1893 birth of daughter Florence Violet
Sep 1895 birth of daughter Ada Lavinia
Jun 1902 marries Elizabeth Hickling
Apr 1911 living in Ashton Under Lyne (no Elizabeth)
Apr 1921 living in Blackpool with W
Dec 1921 dies in Blackpool ?
Feb 1889 marries Mary Dance
Apr 1889 birth of daughter Elsie Lily
Apr 1891 living on Lawley St with W and d.
Dec 1892 marries (bigamously ?) Selina Fulwell
Dec 1893 birth of daughter Florence Violet
Sep 1895 birth of daughter Ada Lavinia
Jun 1902 marries Elizabeth Hickling
Apr 1911 living in Ashton Under Lyne (no Elizabeth)
Apr 1921 living in Blackpool with W
Dec 1921 dies in Blackpool ?
CanadaAng
proper brummie kid
The info I have from the 1901 Census: All living in Aston Manor district
William and Jane Turner with: (54 years old and 52 years old)
Albert Turner (Sam's brother)25 years old
Lily Turner (Sam's sister or sister in law) 21 years old
Arthur Turner (Sam's brother) 20 years old
Elsa Turner (12 years old - child of one of the brothers)
Ada Turner (5 years old Sam's daughter) - My great grandmother
John Hoar? 25 years old
Bet M Carty? 23 years old
mark found a probate for a samuel turner died 19th dec 1921 effects left to widow emma turner..says hes retired very ill...i have them both on the 1921 census so this could be the samuel you found a death for but hes not ours..
also found our samuel on the 1921 census in blackpool with wife elizabeth his occupation is fruiterer also living there is clara hicking niece
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MWS
from Bham
With the Fylde death reg. ruled out it's difficult to say where and when Samuel died. He doesn't seem to be on the 1939 register, so sometime between 1921 and 1939.
It's possible his mom, Jane, died in 1913 and was buried at Witton. There's an entry on findagrave but I'm dubious that that actually means there is a grave.
It's possible his mom, Jane, died in 1913 and was buried at Witton. There's an entry on findagrave but I'm dubious that that actually means there is a grave.
