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Rose Pagett born 1880 birmingham
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MWS
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I think I may have found Rose/Rosannah on the 1921 census.
Age is incorrect and she is listed as married but her birthplace is West Bromwich and her occupation is Laundry Work.
She is listed as Rose Pagatt, a lodger at 65 Moseley St, a lodging house that appears to cater exclusively to women. Don't think the children are there.
Age is incorrect and she is listed as married but her birthplace is West Bromwich and her occupation is Laundry Work.
She is listed as Rose Pagatt, a lodger at 65 Moseley St, a lodging house that appears to cater exclusively to women. Don't think the children are there.
Ah thanks for that. I'm currently struggling with accessing the 1921 census on FMP. I asked mum last night if she knew whether her Dad was actually lived with Rose as a boy and she genuinely didn't know. She said the name Price was familiar too.
Anyway, digging through some old records and I found an electoral record showing a Rose Pagett living in what appears to be a female only lodging house in 1930 at New Canal St, not dissimilar to what you found on the 1921 census?
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Transcript is 1889 but that could be a misread for 1880 - couldn't it?
yes absolutely it could jan...thanks
I can only look at the transcript and not the original copy of the 1921 census at the moment. Interestingly, it says her place of birth is Nineveh Road (though misspelt), West Bromwich. Rose's family are recorded as living on Nineveh Lane (Handsworth) on the 1871 census. I think they're the same place.
hi paul just going through your summary on post 14 where you say
in April 1938 she marries George Barrett at the Register Office in B'ham. She listed as Rosannah Price, a 55 year old widow with no given occupation living at 177B Harvington Road, Weoley Castle.
The 1939 register shows Rose/Rosanna (a laundry hand) and George to be living at 177B Harvington Road, Weoley Castle/Northfield.
so does this mean that rose was previously married and i take it as you have this info that you also have her marr cert to george barrett...if so could we see it please and also if she was previously marr to a price do you have that marr cert...
lyn
in April 1938 she marries George Barrett at the Register Office in B'ham. She listed as Rosannah Price, a 55 year old widow with no given occupation living at 177B Harvington Road, Weoley Castle.
The 1939 register shows Rose/Rosanna (a laundry hand) and George to be living at 177B Harvington Road, Weoley Castle/Northfield.
so does this mean that rose was previously married and i take it as you have this info that you also have her marr cert to george barrett...if so could we see it please and also if she was previously marr to a price do you have that marr cert...
lyn
yes my thoughts about a price marr jan...as you say we have seen it many times and again we have to sometimes think outside the box
I have her marriage certificate to Barrett. The only clues I have about her being married to someone called Price are the details on her sons service record and the 1935 electoral roll. It may be she lived with James Price and took his surname but didn't actually marry him. I'm told she was a very dishonest woman and not particularly pleasant.
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hi paul just going back to when you said that rose had another child walter...could just be coinsidence but there is a walter pagett born 1907 on the 1911 census inmate of marsden green homes for children also a couple of poss births for walter ..i think that before 1911 the mothers maiden name was not stated but a search of the GRO may find them
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| Walter Pagett | |
| Registration Date | 1907[1907] |
|---|---|
| Quarter of the Year | Jan-Feb-Mar |
| Registration Place | Aston, Warwickshire, England |
| Volume | 6d |
| Page | 213 |
| Walter Pagett | |
| Registration Date | 1906[1906] |
|---|---|
| Quarter of the Year | Jul-Aug-Sep |
| Registration Place | Birmingham, Warwickshire, England |
| Volume | 6d |
| Page | 158 |
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Thanks both. I spoke to mum again last night. She said her Dad never spoke about his upbringing so that's a dead end. She said Albert was the youngest so Walter could be older than Fred and the chap you found in the 1911 census could be the right one. Mum never met Walter, all she knows is that he didn't have any children.
When I get time, I'll look at the GRO ref you provided and see what it says.
When I get time, I'll look at the GRO ref you provided and see what it says.
You were right!
poss one in the 1921 trade directory and also 2 possibles on the 1921 census...nothing definate yet just having a look around but worth remembering
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| First name(s) | Last name | Birth year | Birth place | Parish | Registration district | County | |
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Walter | Pagett | 1906 | Warwickshire, England | Handsworth | West Bromwich | Staffordshire | https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1921/RG15/13249/0249/03 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1921/RG15/13249/0249&parentid=GBC/1921/RG15/13249/0249/03 |
Walter | Pagett | 1906 | Birmingham, Warwickshire, England | Smethwick | Kings Norton | Worcestershire | https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1921/RG15/13776/0609/07 https://www.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1921/RG15/13776/0609&parentid=GBC/1921/RG15/13776/0609/07 |
| Walter Pagett | |
| Region | Birmingham |
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| Residence Year | 1921 |
| Publication Title | 1921 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham |
| Occupation | Hair Dresser |
| Street Address | 330 Soho road, Handsworth |
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also paul here is the 1921 transcript and original for the rose pagett mark mentioned...age is well out and she states she was married and born in ninevah road (which is off soho road) west bromwich
oddly enough the poss 21 trade directory i found for a walter pagett hairdresser is at 330 soho road
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oddly enough the poss 21 trade directory i found for a walter pagett hairdresser is at 330 soho road
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Transcript of Rose's record
| First name(s) | Rose |
| Address | 65 Moseley Street |
| Last name | Pagatt |
| Full address as transcribed | 65 Moceley St, B'Ham |
| Sex | Female |
| Parish | Birmingham |
| Birth year | 1889 |
| Registration district | Birmingham |
| Census date | 19 June 1921 |
| Registration district number | 384 |
| Age in years | 32 |
| Sub-district | St Martin's |
| Age in months | 2 |
| Sub-district number | 4 |
| Age as transcribed | 32 y 2 m |
| Enumeration district number | 38 |
| Relationship to head | Lodger |
| County | Warwickshire |
| Marital status | Married |
| Country | England |
| Birth place | West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England |
| Ward of borough or urban district | St Martin & Deritend |
| Birth town | West Bromwich |
| Parliamentary borough or division | Birmingham PB, Deritend Div. |
| Birth county | Staffordshire |
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Thanks for this! I think this could be my great gran, apart from the age, there's enough coincidences to be her. Plus she likely told a lot of fibs!
Had another look at the 1921 census, found record of a 3 year old boy called Albert Pagett in the Selly Oak Workhouse as an inmate. It says his mother is alive and he was born in Birmingham. Could well be Rose's youngest who was born in 1918.
There is another twist but it's hard to explain and probably a dead end...
pjmburns
master brummie
Some records from Marston Green are at the library bt are subject to the 100 year rule so may not be available to look at
MWS
from Bham
I think Frederick and Walter are listed as Payer inmates in 'cottage homes' in the Smethwick parish.
I thought I had. This is a bit complicated....I found a 7 year old Frederick Pagett living off Wills St in Smethwick, that's the address Rose gave on Albert's birth certificate in 1918. The head of the house is a Richard Pagett who I believe was Rose's brother (his age ties in with the 1881 and 1891 census'). Frederick was listed as his son and I wondered if that was my grandad but the 1939 register shows him to be still living with Richard and having been born in 1915 (my grandad Fred was born in 1914).