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Rob Roy pub Fordrough Street

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josietrue

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trying to find out where the rob roy pub was in fordrought street birmingham on the 1881 cenus my gg uncle thomas garrett was living there as beerhouse keeper.
his son henry garrett lived in the same street and is a professional (music) singer trying to find out if he sang in music halls. would be gratful for any info
josie
 
In the 1888 directory there is a beer seller at number 12 Fordrough St,
there is a
Garratt Joesph, beer retailer 140 New Tow Row,
in the 1873 directory there is a
Garratt Thos Vict Royal Exchange 53 Barker St,


josietrue said:
trying to find out where the rob roy pub was in fordrought street birmingham on the 1881 cenus my gg uncle thomas garrett was living there as beerhouse keeper.
his son henry garrett lived in the same street and is a professional (music) singer trying to find out if he sang in music halls. would be gratful for any info
josie
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Hi Josie,
from Birmingham Daily Post I can find:
Dec 1884 - transfer of license to Henry Garrett for Shakespeare, Livery Street
Then in 1885 and 1886 in the Music, Dancing and Billiards licenses applications Henry Garrett, Shakespeare, Livery Street is listed as applying for a music licence.

It may not be your Henry Garrett but seems possible because of the music connection???
 
hi pollypops
would it be possible for you to post the article from the birmingham daily post on here i know that the garrett family were all in the pub trade so it is a good chance it would be him
with thanks josie
 
Henry Garrett music license Birmingham Daily post 27 August 1886
 

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The article is just a long list of pubs and the people who the licenses were transferred to - this is the section which shows Henry Garretts name

Transfer of License granted to Henry Garrett, Shakespeare, Livery Street Birmingham Daily Post 5th Dec 1884
 

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I can also find:
Thomas Browne applying for a music license for Shakespeare, Livery Street Aug 1885 (this was one year after the license of the pub was transferred to Henry Garrett - article above)
James Clark applying for the license for Shakespeare, Livery Street in August 1893 - although Henry Garrett may have left there before that.
 
hi polypops
thanks for all the info i have the right henry garrett would you by any chance know what area of birmingham the rob roy pub was in birmingham that his father thomas garrett ran
with thanks josie
 
I have found a thread on this forum where someone was asking where FORDROUGH STREET was and it seems that it was Suffolk Street - near Navigation Street and Hill Street.
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3265

Unfortunately the person who posted the map is no longer a member and the original image was lost when our forum was hacked.
I have found an 1887 article about a pub called the Malt Shovel in FORDROUGH STREET - the site of which was purchased by the Midland Railway Company for extension to the West Suburban Line - I am not saying this is in anyway connected to your pub but it does prove that FORDROUGH STREET was near to the Station.
I will keep looking. Mike - our map expert may have a map that shows where the Street is.
 
hi josie,

I can only find two mentions of the Rob Roy in Fordrough St:
JULY 1869 - a man stealing a pair of wellington boots from a fellow lodger, back of the Rob Roy, Fordrough Street and pawning them at a shop in Hill Street.
DEC 1887- Transfer of the licence of Rob Roy, Fordrough St, to E. Page.

So the pub was definitely there in those years.
 
Directories list thomas Garrett beer retailer at 12 Fordrough St in 1878-84, but not in 1876 or 1888. The pub is marked red on the c1889 map below

map_c_1889_showing_rob_roy_pub_fordrough_st.jpg
 
I had relatives Living in Fordrough Street on 1841 (Michael Biddulph) and on 1851 census his mother and Stepfather are living at 24b. Here is a map for 1941 which shows Fordrough Street with the red dots which dont show up clearly. But the street going off it is Navigation Street and its in St Thomas Ward

Fordrought Street.jpg
 
smaller scale map c 1890 showing position of rob roy pub is marked red on the c1889 map below

smaller_scale_c_1890_map_showing_rob_roy.jpg
 
Great maps Mike and carolina :encouragement: Is it possible to say what is there now - is it Suffolk St as was said on the other thread?
 
Have superimposed the 1890 map on google earth and marked fordrough St in red and Rob roy in blue.

1890_fordrough_st_over_google__with_Rob_roy.jpg
 
thank you all who replyed to my request it as help me a lot to find out were some of my mothers family were living in the 1800
josie
 
Thanks for posting that MIke - I imagined it would be 'on' Suffolk Street Queensway - if you know what I mean - so I was surprised to see it cuts through the Mail Box!

There are still some lovely old buildings there too - on Severn St and Blucher St - they would have been there when Josie's family were there.
 
hi pollypops
all my moms family came from the area around suffolk street in the 1800 living in
suffolk street
essex st
beak st
seven st
hill st
holiday st
and streets at the back of the new reg office it seem they moved around a lot so it is great to see old maps of were they once lived
josie
 
They were all in the same area weren't they. Have you looked on this forum for pictures of those streets - using the search box? Astoness posts a lot of old street pictures - she may remember if she has posted any of those streets you have listed.
 
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