Richard Parkes bargee

[brummy-lad]

EDIT: This thread was originally started by tuisitala but her post was lost. She was requesting an insight into the working life of her grandad (bargee). What follows was my response.

Hi tuisitala, welcome to the forum, is this your grandfather on the 1921 census?

 

[pjmburns]

Some general info here

Canalboat People: Lives on the Waterways of Birmingham

Canalboat People: Lives on the Waterways of Birmingham

historywm.com

 

[tuisitala]

Hi tuisitala, welcome to the forum, is this your grandfather on the 1921 census?

Yes. They lived at Liverpool Street until they were bombed out. My mother, Ellen and sister Ivy had to be dug out from their shelter. They then moved to Stoke Street (8 back 10?) near the Basin.

 

[brummy-lad]

I can't help about your grandad's working life but have attached an aerial view of their house (poor quality unfortunately).

 

[mikejee]

Sorry about the dual thread. I thought I had moved it to the M-P section, but seemed to have copied it there instead. Other one now deleted

 

[Pedro42]

This has probably been posted before but it's a good insight into Birmingham's boat people. You will need to download the .pdf file

Peter

 

[brummy-lad]

Sorry about the dual thread. I thought I had moved it to the M-P section, but seemed to have copied it there instead. Other one now deleted

Hi Mike, tuisitala's opening message is missing from this thread and it therefore appears that the thread was started by me. If you can't reinstate it I can edit my response to it.

 

[mikejee]

John
Yes please do that. Sorry for trouble
Mike

 

[brummy-lad]

John
Yes please do that. Sorry for trouble
Mike

No problem.

 

[Ladywood 2]

Could anyone provide a map showing Stoke Street?

 

[mikejee]

Here you are

 

[Ladywood 2]

Here you are

View attachment 229635

Thank you very much, I came across a document for Pearl Assurance taken out for my mother at the age of 3.
She lived at court 10 in Stoke Street.

 

[Astoness]

on the map below i can see court 7 and 8 marked out it could be that court 9 was behind no 34 and courts 10 and 11 behind the builders yard...ladywood2 do you have a house number for court 10..link below to the map..just move the blue dot to the left to see what is there now

lyn

Georeferenced Maps viewer - Map images - National Library of Scotland

 

[Ladywood 2]

on the map below i can see court 7 and 8 marked out it could be that court 9 was behind no 34 and courts 10 and 11 behind the builders yard...ladywood2 do you have a house number for court 10..link below to the map..just move the blue dot to the left to see what is there now

lyn

Georeferenced Maps viewer - Map images - National Library of Scotland

The adress is 2 court 10, and the assurance company is the Refuge, the premium was one penny

 

[Ladywood 2]

I've found a later Refuge Assurance Company for my mother aged 11 for 10 pounds and 7 pence in 1918. Both parents died of influenza in 1918 and my mother became an orphan.

 

[Astoness]

thats odd then as i cant see a house no 2 in what i thought could be court 10..maybe if mike spots this post he can help sort it out..so many died of influenza very sad

lyn

 

[Ladywood 2]

I've tried looking up the 1911 and 1921 census for my mother with no luck.

 

[Astoness]

I've tried looking up the 1911 and 1921 census for my mother with no luck.

i was about to suggest that...just to double check i will take a look so if you can give me your moms name and date of birth i will take a look also do you have the names of her parents please

lyn

 

[Ladywood 2]

i was about to suggest that...just to double check i will take a look so if you can give me your moms name and date of birth i will take a look also do you have the names of her parents please

lyn

My mother Elizabeth Ann Powell, her father was Edward Powell, and her mother Ellen Powell.
Thanks

 

[Ladywood 2]

Elizabeth Ann Powell born 19 April 1908

 

[Astoness]

thanks i will see if can find anything

lyn

 

[Astoness]

would this be your mother and grandparents on the 1911.. ?

add is house 2 court 2 stoke st

edward powell age 36 polisher
nellie powell 36 (nelly could be another name for ellen)
son james 16 polisher
son william 14 polisher
son john 12 at school
daughter kellie 8 at school
daughter liley 3..(liley being short for elizabeth)

lyn

 

[mikejee]

The 1886 map shows court 10, which is marked in red. I would hav ethought that no 2 would have been one of the two back houses at the street end

 

[Ladywood 2]

Interesting, William [Billy] Killed in Salonika 1918, James [Jimmy] Killed in France 1917 don't know of John and Kellie, Elizabeth or Lily seems correct.
Thanks for your help

 

[Astoness]

The 1886 map shows court 10, which is marked in red. I would hav ethought that no 2 would have been one of the two back houses at the street end

View attachment 229641

yes i agree mike..thanks

lyn

 

[Astoness]

Interesting, William [Billy] Killed in Salonika 1918, James [Jimmy] Killed in France 1917 don't know of John and Kellie, Elizabeth or Lily seems correct.
Thanks for your help

did your mom ever say who looked after her after her parents both died..ie did she go into a childrens home etc ?

lyn

 

[MWS]

There appear to be at least 3 other children who sadly died before their first birthday.

 

[Astoness]

There appear to be at least 3 other children who sadly died before their first birthday.

if its the correct family mark on that 1911 at that point it says 7 children born 5 alive 2 died..

lyn

 

[MWS]

That seems right then Lyn.

There was a son, birth reg. as Charles Francis Dec 1905 and death as Thomas Francis Mar 1906 - not sure why there's a difference and a daughter, Mary Winifred birth reg. Jun 1911 and death the same qtr.

The third child was another daughter, Mary Agnes birth Mar 1914, death Sep 1914.

James' birth was reg. as James Jeremiah Edward, William as Charles William and John was John Thomas.

 

[Astoness]

thanks mark..so much sadness..what i am trying to do is find ladywoods mom elizabeth ann powell born 19th april 1908 on the 21 census after both parents died in 1918

lyn