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railway wagon painters

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stevie.b-123

master brummie
are there any railway history buffs out there who might be able to help?
i have found reles who have occupations listed as:railway wagon painters/ painters of railway carriages. around 1861-1891 in birmingham.
would like to try and find out where they might have worked (they lived around the bordesley area).
perhaps there might be personnel/staff records i could research to find out more info.
regards
steve.
 
i have the midlands railway service register but have not seen any wagon painters on there. if you give me names and dates of birth i will check to see if they appear.
 
Shera, could you do a look up for William Burbery - Railway Carter on a cert. dated 1908 and on 1911 census lorry man. Address 98 Dollman Street.

Thank you.
 
hello sylvia, there is only a george burberry b. 14.4.1875 started work there in 1895 and left in 1900. he was a porter. sorry i cant help
 
There are Railway Coach Painters in my family Tree. As they lived in Washwood Heath Road, I assumed they worked at Metro Cammel, although I'm not sure if it was called MC then.

I remember MC being on a corner in Washwood Heath Road, was it Drews Lane? I can't remember.
 
suemalings said:
There are Railway Coach Painters in my family Tree. As they lived in Washwood Heath Road, I assumed they worked at Metro Cammel, although I'm not sure if it was called MC then.

I remember MC being on a corner in Washwood Heath Road, was it Drews Lane? I can't remember.
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Hi Sue

The Met at Washwood Heath didn't actually border Washwood Heath Rd.
It was between Aston Church Road and Common Lane, and covered the area from the back of the houses on the school side of Warren Road to the railway. However it would not have been this works as it was only built in the early 1900's as the Midland Railway Carriage and Wagon
Company (nothing to do with the Midland Railway). If it was the Met
it would have been the Saltley works of Metropolitan Cammell which
was in Metropolitan Road just off Saltley High Street opposite Crawford Street.

Sue, - I've just realised that it was Stevie B.123 's relatives who were
painters in the 1890's, but possibly it could apply to yours as well!

Kind regards

Dave
 
Many thanks for the info. On the 1881 census my ancestor lived in Washwood Heath Road and his occupation was Coach Maker (RCM).

Do you know what the RCM stands for?

His occupation is coach maker right through from 1871.
 
sylviasayers said:
Shera, thanks for the information, George Burbery is one of ours.
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as this is yours i will give you the full info recorded.

george burberry b. 14.4.1875 date entered service 29.4.1895 position held porter date left service 11.8.1900 rate 20/- resigned. enlisted.
 
Hello Shera,
My gt.grandad was a railway carriage painter,as were my grandad and his brother,I always thought they worked at the met,but they were too early for that.
Could you be a star and look on your list for them,names below.
Henry William Barrett... railway carriage painter.
William Charles Barrett...carriage fitter. (the family moved to Brum in 1873)
Thomas Henry Barrett...railway carriage fitter.
Henry Wall...carriage fitter.
 
had a look ray but im sorry none of those names although as i said on an earlier post i havent seen any carriage painters on this list, there are a few barretts and walls but not the same names and most of them are shed porters. :) i think carriage painters must have worked elsewhere
 
Hi Shera

Could you see if you have anything on John Newton 1893 and his brother Richard William Newton, went by the name of William on the 1911 census if they are my 2 they were lodging at 50 Blucher St in the St Martins district of Birmingham on the 1911 census.

Kind regards Paula:)
 
paula there are 3 newtons but dont think they are yours...arthur, edward and john.
the john newton was born 16.6.1884. entered service 30.6.1905 as a shed porter but left the same day as he was "not strong enough"
 
Hi Shera,

Please will you look to see if there are any LATCHFORDS listed please?

Thank you :)
 
Many thanks for taking the time to look Shera I am very grateful. Must look futher for a Latchford who was down as being a coach painter :rolleyes:

Thank again.
rowan
 
What a fascinating book that must be Shera, many long disused trades and jobs listed I'll bet!
 
lloyd its just a disc i purchased from bmsgh. it is included in the one called birmingham miscellany, but its very interesting. its titled tysley goods register, but on the top of page one it says midland railway service register. it has some interesting comments as to why people left the service, such as drunk on shed, or too old and short sighted!
 
suemalings said:
Many thanks for the info. On the 1881 census my ancestor lived in Washwood Heath Road and his occupation was Coach Maker (RCM).

Do you know what the RCM stands for?

His occupation is coach maker right through from 1871.
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Hi Sue,

I could only guess that it might have been railway carriage maker or
something like that. Passenger transport by rail started with road
carriages being carried on flat trucks, and I understand that that Joseph Wright, whose business ultimately became the Met, started as a road
vehicle builder. The transition from road to rail carriage makers must have been a fairly seamless one (except for the scale!)

Kind regards

Dave
 
thanks all, i'll have a look at the info you posted.
shera the reles i mentioned are:
thomas bate, born approx 1827.
his son, also thomas bate. born approx 1854.
also mentioned on the 1861 census is a james munn, possibly a collegue- the bate family were visiting him at railway terrace, long acre, at the time.
he was also a wagon painter.
hope this helps.
steve.
 
hi stevie, i have checked but no they dont appear but as i have said earlier i dont think railway painters were on this list. sorry about that but worth looking just in case :)
 
Hi Shera
I know i am being cheeky but could you look up some names please.
Hirons, Stain, and Batchelor, they all worked on the railways at some point in time.
Alan.
 
no problem alan

these are the only ones

edward hirons b. 3.6.1881 entered service 3.1.1906 timber porter rate 20/- left 15.1.1906 own account

john hirons b. 7.2.1879 entered service 10.5.1906 shed porter rate 19/- (no leaving date)

joseph stain b. 20.7.1859 entered service 16.9.1878 checker rate 28/- (no leaving date)

thats all...no batchelors.
 
Thank You Shera
The Hirons were my Great Uncles, Joseph Stain was like a Dad to my Mum her Dad died when she was 1 year old. Alan.
 
im so pleased that they were yours alan. :):) when there was no leaving date i presume they were still in employment at the time.
 
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