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A look inside the Red Lion, Handsworth:-

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/93868-The-Red-Lion-Handsworth-Birmingham-2014

I'm not familiar with this, but spotted on 28dayslater.


Maurice

Hello Maurice, I was out with an old Brummie last night and he was reminiscing about the good Brum pubs that have gone. He mentioned a Red Lion that was special but I didn't catch where, he said it was on like an island and it was an oasis. His partner wasn't impressed though. Is this one on an island?
It reminds me of the Alhambra in Coventry, now gone, it was full of memorabilia like the nickleodoen, brass bed turned in to a seat, stuffed leopard, birds in glass domes and treddle sewing machine tables. I love the Red lion tiles.
 
Hi Nico,

Other than Handsworth I have no idea of the location, though I'm sure many other locals on BHF will point you in the right direction. The explorer, although a local to Nuneaton, has been exploring Birmingham for many years, so I'm sure he'll have the district right.

Maurice
 
The Red Lion is on Soho road. Below is a picture of the outside a few years ago. It is still standing - just. No doubt waiting for a fire.

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Hi Nico

I don't think your friend was describing the Red Lion Handsworth situated as it is in the Middle of the High Street Handsworth, unless he was talking metaphorically.



(Sorry Mike, it seems that once again we were posting at the same time)
 

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Hi Mike, thanks for that info and picture. It looks like it was a nice building and it would be a shame if it suffered the same fate as so many other old buildings in Brum. We shall see....

Maurice
 
Here is a link to a site which shows some of the older views inside but also the computer generated plans for the future. From what I can see it failed to sell at auction. Some interior photos on here as well.
 
Thanks for the pictures, Bernard, but I can't see that there is a great future for it in its present location.

Maurice
 
My friend had her wedding reception at the Red Lion in 1959, and I have a print of "The Village Wedding" lovely picture when seen in colour.It is on the wall next to my computer.
 
Love the sandstone on that pub. I will have to ask him and get him to look on here. He used to work in Brum now lives Balsall Common but likes to go back to his old haunts for the atmosphere. I gave the Village Wedding to my mate when he got married, you can see through her veil.
 
I've travelled past that pub many times but never been inside. My goodness .. what a beautiful pub!
I do hope it can be saved, but personally I doubt it, the location is not right these days. Hopefully they can preserve some of the wonderful tiles and decoration though - let's hope they don't go the same way that those in the the Woodman went!
 
Does anyone have any information on the pub called the Seven Stars which used to stand in Lawley Street please? I did potter down to have a look but as with many things in Birmingham old Lawley Street has been well and truly swept away. I think it was on the left going up from the White Tower pub (on the other side) towards Aston. I'm going back a long way for mention of it but unless it was bombed I think it would've been there until the 1960's 'improvements'.
 
Hi Lady P

I looked in Kelly's Directory for 1937 (before the war) and 1950 (after the war) and there was no sign of a pub with the name Severn Stars. In fact the only Severn Stars listed at both times was on Cape Hill. Which to me suggests that the premises was a beer retailer and not a fully licensed public house, I'm afraid they get listed under the owners name. I think someone with access to census information may be able to help you in your search.
 
Au contraire Phil...Joe Mckenna...page 149 of his Central Birmingham Pubs Book Vol 2 states..."Lawley Street is now Lawley Middleway; at No. 47 was the Seven Stars. It originated in 1839 on the corner of Belmont Row, then on the edge of the Victorian town. William Mills was its first licensee. In I883 the address changed slightly to 101-103 Lawley Street. This was the address it maintained until its closure in I921. The Lion & Butcher, an odd name for a pub, was at 52 Lawley Street. It opened in I867 with William Bird as its first licensee. This house was on the corner of Curzon Street. In I888 architect William Wykes was brought in to update the pub. He submitted his plans on 26 February. The Lion & Butcher closed in I9II. The White Tower, now known as Moriarty's, after its landlady, is at 126 Lawley Street. It was built to replace an earlier pub of the same name. The earlier house was in existence by I827, with John Jenkins as its landlord. Joseph Bedford was the last licensee of the old pub when it closed in I931 and first licensee of the new M&B pub when it opened in I932- The White Tower is perhaps the finest surviving example of an art deco pub in the city. Internally, though it has undergone some change over the years, traces still remain. It is a pub that should be locally listed by the Council at least, if not nationally listed. The Railway Tavern is first listed in the trade directory of I869. It was then at I32 Lawley Street, with William Jones as licensee. There was some street renumbering in I880, and the house became I74 Lawley Street." but sadly, no photo of any of these....
 
Looks like you have found out a bit about the Seven Stars Lawley Street Dennis. Shame there isn't more info available or at least easier to find.
 
Dennis

Of course you are right, and I'm getting idle in my old age, I didn't realise that Lady P was looking for a pub that was old enough for you to have drunk in. I thought it was only pre-war and someone more like my age would have imbibed there.

Had I looked further back I would have found it in the antediluvian issues of Kelly's and seen that it was between Pitt St and Belmont Row on Lawley St , roughly where I have placed the red "X" on this map.
 

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The map c 1889 below shows the seven stars in red. The pub seems to have been a regular site for inquests, particularly of people drowned in the canal. Ben Green, was landlord in the early 20th century and fought in WW1, his wife keeping the pub while he was away. but he was wounded and returned home. A Mr Robinson was landlord around 1888, and had a lodger , a pugilist called Hickey, who he supported in his fighting. However he was not happy in finding Hickey in bed with his wife and a servant girl , and obtained a divorce. After the divorce came through the wife returned to the pub, would not leave, and Robinson tried to get the court to force her to leave, but was unsuccessful
Snap Phil

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Hi mike
Very interesting story about a hickey because we have had a generation of a hickey family running pubs around in brum
And they are well known And are highly respectable with in the licence trade when they was around round
I believe they have all finished now the last one I recall was at the red lion kings heath many years ago
But they did run a lot of pubs in brum
I wonder if it was any of there ancesters of Nicky you mentioned. Alan,,,,,,,Astonian''''''''




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Blimey.....amazing stuff...we go from never eardovit...to knowing who, what, where. who slept with whom, wham bam thank you ma'm, and that Alan's family probably ran it!!! Life's never dull on here....and Phil is still leading 234 - 1 in the correction stakes....so don't get feeling sorry for him...and the nearest Pub to Lawley Street I ever had a tot in young Phil, was the Sailor's Return...which was probably also ran by Alan or one of his mates!?
 
Thank you all for this information. I have been looking for the map and here it is on the site! I have just scanned it. I also must apologise to Phil as I forgot to mention that I was interested in the year 1887. Alf Robinson was landlord before he ran off to America and committed bigamy. He was a great supporter of the art of boxing and it was here that he gave a supper for my Gt Uncle Joe and Charley Norton, World Champion, when they returned from the USA for a benefit at Victoria Hall in Bath Street (still standing). I just wondered what the pub looked like but as you said Phil, it's long gone.
 
Hi im very happy to see this pic. My dad has had me looking on every sight but no joy. He grew up in the dolphin pub on vaughton street/charles henry street so im hoping to show him. This is the one isnt it?im still yet ti shiw him. Many thanks. Do you have anymore on it. Thankyou.
 
Just on the offchance, does anyone know of a pub that used to be called the "Cottage of Content" which I think was in Miller Street, Aston? It was on a list of pubs that my cousin, John George Sheppard was landlord of during the mid-1930s. Unfortunately I've mislaid the list, but I think he went from there to the Turks Head in Bloomsbury Street and then to the Stonebridge Hotel that used to be at Meriden.

Maurice
 
Mauricev
Can't find record of one of that name in Miller St, There were , at one time, ones called that in St Vincent St, Portland St, Kyrwicks Lane, Norman St, Bell St, Sheepcote lane, and one described as "Highgate," which was probably Kyrwicks lane
 
Maurice

I have photos of three Cottage's of Content, but I only knew the one myself and that was the one in Kyrwicks Lane which was in Sparkbrook just off Highgate Rd and was one of my locals at one time. Could the one you are after possibly have been the one on Newtown Row after all Miller St runs off it. It might even have been on the corner.
 

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nice pics phil...not heard of a cottage of content being at newtown row...must look up where abouts it was

lyn
 
Maurice
I would have said that the cottage of Winson green picture was taken from the Benson road school angle
Looking across to the cottage which would have been the bottom of Don street
I will say another way of putting it to our members walk down Bacchus road Winston green bear right angle down towards Benson road school
And the first turning on your right hand which is a very small red it brings you to the bottom of old Don street and you would be facing it
The pub as you are walking to it and if you walk up Don street you would walk onto lodge rd
And as son as you step out onto lodge road on your emeciate right there was another old pub with railing in front of it
Becasuse of the bend of lodge road and the pavent was very narrow on that section, best wishes Astonian,,,,,
 
Mike, Phil, Alan,

Thanks for all the information and pictures, I never realised it was such a popular namr! I now have to go though my lists and find the details I had. Newtown Row was certainly the area, if my memory isn't failing me, and I have it at the back that the actual address was Miller Street. But maybe that was the association with trams that clicked. But that could equally well be associated with Kyrwicks Lane. Anyway, thanks everyone for their efforts and I'll get back to you just as soon as I can find my notes.

Maurice
 
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