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Proof on Marriage Certificate.

Hi all

I found this one yesterday on the IGI but I thought perhaps Lynne had got it?

Joannes Franciscus Guest born 22 Feb 1885 christened 22 Mar 1885 Bham
Father - Joannis Guest
Mother - Elizae Burns Guest

All in latin so perhaps a catholic christening/baptism?

Suzanne
 
Also the Florence Guest that was mentioned previously living with the Wheelwrights although the mother's surname doesn't quite fit it could be a transcription error.

Florentia Maria Guest Born 23 Jul 1881 christened 14 Aug 1881 Bham
Father - Joannis Guest
Mother - Elizabethae Bevins Guest

Suzanne
 
Re: Proof on Marriage Certificate.


Hi Suzanne, His name is John Guest b 1855. The ''first'' wifes name was
either Elizabeth or Eliza Burns, I think. They had a son in 1885, John Francis I
believe but I think there could have been a daughter as well in 1891 or 1892 but
that was the year he married my G grandmother.. This is all too complicated for
my brain.
Thanks
Lynne.
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Florence could well be John's daughter as it looks as if Margaret Wheelwright was a Burns before marriage?
Marriages Sep 1876
John Wheelwright married Margaret BURNS Aston 6d 399

John Henry Ridley married John Francis's sister Florence
Marriages Mar 1901
Florence Mary GUEST Birmingham 6d 137
John Henry Ridley Birmingham 6d 137

At 85 Cornwall Road
1920 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest
1922 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest and Frederick Fraser
1925-1927 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest,Frederick Fraser and Gertrude Fraser
1925-1927 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest also listed at 10/11 St Mary's Row
1930 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest,Harry Bruton and Mary Evelyn Bruton
1935 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest,Baden Turvey,Florence Turvey and Dennis Lloyd
1939 John Francis and Florence Elizabeth Guest,and Florence Margaret Guest
1945 John E Guest,Iris M Guest and Florence M Elsmore (John C Elsmore on Services Register)
(Marriages Dec 1939
John C Elsmore married Florence M Guest Birmingham 6d 547)
(Marriages Jun 1939
John E Guest married Irene G B Scott Birmingham 6d 632)
1950 John F.Guest,Iris M.Guest,Frank A.Westwick,Irene G.Westwick,
1955 John F.Guest,Iris M.Guest,George Curry

At 126 Bridge Street West
1912-1922 Florence Mary Ridley and John Henry Ridley
1925-1927 Florence Mary Ridley and John Thomas Ridley
1930 Florence Mary Ridley,Florence Lucy Ridley and Frederick Long
1935 Florence Mary Ridley,Florence Lucy Hanson,Charles Henry Hanson and Frederick Henry Ridley
1939 Florence Mary Ridley,Florence Lucy Hanson,Charles Henry Hanson
hope this is some help?
 
Lynne

I know you found a death for an Elizabeth Guest in 1889 aged 27 but this may be nearer:

EliSabeth Guest aged 34 JFN Bham 1890 ref 6d 87

Suzanne
 
Lyn, Lindyloo, Suzanne and Lynne and not forgetting Maurice.

Oh Ladies and gent, this is brilliant, I knew you were good on here but this is amazing..Thank you all so so much. I cant believe going from next to nothing info to all this, I cant put into words how thrilled I am..I will get young Johns birth cert, I hope you can still collect them because I can't wait for the post..
Thanks again for all the trouble you have taken, you really are lovely, special people...Lynne xx
 
Hi Lynne

Well so glad that you are getting a little bit closer - now if only we could find THAT marriage:)

By the way, if you go to the Register office and want the certificate the same day, the cost is about £13!!!!

Suzanne
 
hi lynne...im also pleased that you are now getting somewhere...what a great bunch of people we have on the forum...ive had a headache for days over this one...:D
 
I'd heard that Suzanne, but I guess if you've gone all that way, a few quid is not really here or there! :)

If a marriage took place at all, then B'ham Register Office will have it, that would cut out the middle man of the GRO !

Just sidetracking for one second, does anyone know whether entries are made anywhere for the deaths of unknown persons? For instance, "Unknown man found drowned in canal" - there are quite a few of these in the 19th Century newspapers. There would almost certainly be an inquest, but what happens then - are these deaths filed for the public record and, if so, how and where?

Maurice :cool:
 
[QUOTE=sospiri;398049]I'd heard that Suzanne, but I guess if you've gone all that way, a few quid is not really here or there! :)


Hi Sospiri

Yes I agree it's worth paying the extra, I know I did, as I was that eager for a particular certificate:)

Just sidetracking for one second, does anyone know whether entries are made anywhere for the deaths of unknown persons? For instance, "Unknown man found drowned in canal" - there are quite a few of these in the 19th Century newspapers. There would almost certainly be an inquest, but what happens then - are these deaths filed for the public record and, if so, how and where?

Interesting question. Hope someone has the answer.

Suzanne
 
Sospiri

Just had a quick search in deaths by just putting Unknown in surname and there are indeed some listed as eg Male Unknown Birth date 1900 died 1996 (though how they would know how old a person is and not know their name is beyond me?)

Suzanne
 
Hi Suzanne,

Thanks for that - perhaps I've never spotted that because I don't have any surnames beginning with "U".

I use a similar format in my own database until I discover a name, e.g. Unknown UNKNOWN, Kate UNKNOWN, or Unknown BLOGGS. As for age at death, it would be nice to have the Coroner's estimate. I must do a bit more digging!

Maurice :cool:
 
Lynne, so pleased that you got at least some of the info!! I would have to go and collect too, rather than wait for the post, hope it all goes well, hope to see you Friday.
Sue
 
Thanks Sue, Kelly said she'll go tomorrow to the Register Office I cant wait for days now. He's been so difficult to trace, even on the records for his death in 1909 his age is wrong. See you on Friday.
Lynne.
 
Update. I've got the Cert. John Francis Guest b. 22. 2 1885, at 23 Court 3 Farm Street. Mother, Elizabeth Guest formerly Burns. She signed the register herself. Doesn't help with a marriage but at least I've got a name.
Thanks again all.
Lynne.
 
Hi Lynne

Brilliant news!!!! I've been thinking about the marriage:) I would put money on it that they were married especially as John & Florence seem to have been baptised catholic, unless John & Elizabeth were brave enough to lie to the Priest:)

Onwards and upwards!!! Now to find the marriage:)

Suzanne
 
Hi Suzanne
Just found this page and low and behold John C Elsmore and Florence M Guest (Better know as Jack & Margaret ) were my Uncle and Aunt.
keep smiling
Richard
 
Hi mrpastry

It's lynne webb's thread so hopefully she will get back to you.

Regards
Suzanne
 
Hello Richard, Florence M Guest was the daughter of my Grandads half brother, they had different Moms. Until I started doing the family history I didnt know they existed. I would love to hear anything you may know about this part of the family.
Thanks Lynne.
 
Hi Lynne
Only have limited info for Florence , did not see a lot of her or Uncle Jack when is was growing up they lived in Solihull I lived in Handsworth if you are still interested let me know
Regards
Rich
Keep smiling
 
Hi Lyn
Having a bad day remind me how !!!!!!!! forget this .brain now working and sent via private message
Ta! Rich
 
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Hi Lynne
Have a picture (somewhere) of John & Margaret on there wedding day if you would like I will sort it out and forward to you.Also have some of John with RAF colleagues and parents /brother's if you want will also forward.
Regards
Rich
Keep Smiling
 
Hello Rich, a big, big thank you for thr brilliant photos, its great to be able to put a face to a name, can you also pass my thanks on to your cousin please.. Thanks again.
Lynne.
 
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