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Petford family history

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peanut15

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Reseaching my family history,Henry Petford my great-great-great-grandfather was a coal miner/chartermaster in the Dudley area. Trying to put some more flesh to the skeleton. Also his sons John Henry Petford & Charles Albert Petford both pattern makers living in Handsworth. Any help welcome.
 
Hi welcome Peanut, could you please give us a few dates on the time line that your looking for. This would be very helpful for folk to be able to look up and add info' for you.:)

Pom :angel:
 
Petford dates

:)Dates looking at for g-g-g-granddad late 1800's he died--24/04/1904
his sons late 1800's C.A.Petford died 1907 aged approx 46. No clues for J.H.PETFORD.
 
Henry Petford married Kezia Brookes Dudley 1853
John henry Petford married Ellen Parsons 1875 Birmingham
Charles albert Petford married Phoebe Wood in hull 1885

1881
Dwelling: 43 Stourbridge Rd
Census Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341690 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2878 Folio 146 Page 40
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Henry PETFORD M 49 M Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Coal Miner
Kezia PETFORD M 48 F Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Wife
Hannah PETFORD U 22 F Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Daur
Annie PETFORD 18 F Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Daur
Brodie PETFORD 15 M Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Boiler Maker
Ada PETFORD 13 F Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Daur
Fanny PETFORD 9 F Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Daur
Mary PETFORD 6 F Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Daur

also
Dwelling: 10 Sycamore Road
Census Place: Handsworth, Stafford, England
Source: FHL Film 1341678 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2832 Folio 63 Page 23
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John H. PETFORD M 26 M Hollyhall Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Engineers General Pattern Maker (E & M)
Ellen E. PETFORD M 29 F Derby, Derby, England
Rel: Wife
Elizabeth PETFORD U 5 F Smethwick, Stafford, England
Rel: Dau
Ellen E. PETFORD U 1 F Handsworth, Stafford, England
Rel: Dau
Charles A. PETFORD U 20 M Harts Hill, Stafford, England
Rel: Brother
Occ: Engineers General Pattern Maker (E & M)
Mary A. LARGE U 15 F Woodside Near Dudley, Worcester, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: Nurse Girl
 
:)Cheers Alberta, Kesia i believe from research is Henry's 1st wife as i have copy of his will saying his wife is Phebe, and that she had children from previous marridge.I did not have a date for his marridge to kesia thanks.
In his will only 6 children are mentioned, brodie and anne are missing.
Have more information but need details on Henry and his 2 sons as my direct link to him is via C.A.Petford.
 
Kezia Petford died in 1895 and a year later Henry married Phoebe Dainty ,formerly Webb nee Fullwood
1891 130 High street Dudley
Henry 59
Kezia 57
Fanny shelding age 19 daughter
Edward shelding son in law
Mary Petford 16 daughter
Elizabeth Petford 15 grandaughter

1901 130 high street

Henry age 68 Charter master ( coal mine )
Phoebe 54
Thomas Sanders age 30 son in law
Mary sanders age 26 daughter
Mary Webb 21 stepdaughter
Millie Webb 18 stepdaughter
Thomas Dainty 13 stepson

Charter masters were commisioned by the owners of the mine to supply labour and mining materials ,tools and explosives etc and they were paid by weight of coal mined and they in turn paid their workers.

John Henry Petfords wife Ellen died in 1896 and he married Sarah Garner in 1899
1901 10 sycamore road, Handsworth
John age 46 Pattern maker
Sarah age 50
Elizabeth 25
Eliza 21
Ada 17
Albert simpson age 14 nephew

1901 4 Watt street,Handsworth
Charles A Petford age 40 Wood pattern maker
Phoebe age 42
Cecil H age 12

Charles wife Phoebe died in 1908 a year after his death their son Cecil married Sybil Cooper 1914
 
Cheers Alberta, ? on name Shelding in will spelt as Skelding.Have Elizabeth as daughter who becomes a Fullwood.
On C.A.Petford, Cecil and Sybil are my parternal grandparents.
He also had 3 other babies 2 stillborn 1 lived 12 hours.
May i enquire your intrest in Petford cheers.
 
Add on to last post, Elizabeth granddaughter daughter of J.H.Petford.
Skelding proven as per partics of estate via signature.
 
Alberta you are such a star with your knowledge and expertise.......we are all grateful.:)
 
thanks for help Alberta as i say have got some infor, but looking to flesh it out and hopefully meet lost relations.:) My research based on g-g-granddads will, probate and family bible. Believe his house was holly hall dudley gone now (council estate).
 
Help req'd. Reply from Alberta last year gave me Henry married to Kesia Brookes. But had e-mail from lady in Australia saying Kesia Attwell married him and had children Hannah, Brodie, Ada, Fanny and Mary.
Now the children given to me tied up, also henry's will gives Ada Fanny and Mary.

Now either Kezia was married before or Surname wrong. Seems too much coincidence as dates and children match.

any help too clear this up welcome thanks.
 
On this page we have Kesia Brookes and Henry Petford
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Sep 1853 [/SIZE]
Brookes Kezia Dudley 6c221
Petford Henry Dudley 6c221
ROUND Benjamin Dudley 6c221
TAYLOR Hannah Dudley 6c221

and I found Kesia Atwell, but not Henry on this page:
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Jun 1854 [/SIZE]
ARNOLD Thomas Edward W Bromwich 6b863
Atwell Kesia West Bromwich 6b863
BARTON Catherine W Bromwich 6b863
Doody John West Bromwich 6b863
Hanson William West Bromwich 6b863

You may need to get the certificates for further proof of whom they married. However from the other info' it looks like Albeta may be correct to me.
 
Thanks for this infor, looks right. Believe lady from Australia following wrong Kesia marriage. As her Kesia is the Attwell link Mine is the Brookes link. Cheers
 
My Grandfather was Francis Thomas Petford, born in 1917 in the Kings Norton area (I think). He was eventually adopted by the Preece Family in the Alcester / Inkberrow areas. Any info on Francis T Petford greatly received.
 
Francis T Petford birth registered 3rd quarter 1917, Kings Norton, volume 6d page 118
Mother's maiden name Davies.
I can find no other mention of him in BMD registers, or a Petford/Davies marriage which would fit. I would suggest getting the birth certificate, that should identify the parents and place of birth. (Kings Norton registration district covers a lot of areas - see https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/kings norton.html)
 
Thank you Lloyd. Thats brilliant. What a result. I shall request the Birth Certificate as you suggest to see what other information I can gather. So another line of enquiry opens with the Davies family! Cheers for your quick and useful help. All the best.
 
Hello – I’ve just registered today in the hope of finding information about the Brookes family and the name Kesiah Brookes caught my eye. My husband is descended from Joseph Brookes, a miner, born in Oldbury about 1863-4. On the 1871 census (name Brooks) he has a sister called Kesiah, father John, ironworker, and mother Hannah. Whilst this is obviously not the same kesiah that you speak of, I wondered if there is a family connection? Joseph married Mary Ann Hampton (born in Netherton) in Royston, Barnsley Yorkshire in 1889. Their marriage certificate shows Josephs father as being John Brookes, hammer-smith, and Mary Ann’s father as being Thomas Hampton, a miner. I have found a record of a John Brookes christened 10 Feb 1833 in Rowley but don’t know if it is relevant. Unfortunately it is a common name, and there could be about 5 BMD records which could be Joseph. There seems to have been quite a lot of miners from the Oldbury area who came to work in Barnsley mines. Does anyone know the reason for this?
 
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