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Old Barn, Wiggins Hill Road, Wishaw

Goayr Ben said:
Hi!
When my Uncle purchased the property it consisted of two cottages a tythe barn and land . It was known as Old Barn at the time of purchase. I have a copy of the newspaper article but I'm not convinced about the previous name that is mentioned.
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Neither am I convinced as I haven't found a Stout's Farm.
 
I cant find anything about Stout Farm either. But there were Stouts in the area - at least in the 1930s.
 

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pjmburns said:
Have found Wiggins Hill on 1851 census but all the addresses say is "Wiggins Hill" so cannot identify Old Barn

It is Warwickshire, Sutton Coldfield, ALL and 4i (2 houses page 24 then rest start on 28.
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thanks jan...shame there are no cottage or farm names...makes it difficult now..just wondering where we can go from here

lyn
 
Looking at the map, surely the Old Barn and Old Barn Cottages were once part of Wiggins Hill Farm ? But a long time ago obviously. (Wiggins Hill Farmhouse is 17th century - the building with gables on Wiggins Hill Road, but it was once part of a medieaval cluster ) Maybe these formed the Wiggins Hill hamlet. Perhaps Minworth Greaves was also part of the hamlet (the house remains of which were moved - then constructed using some parts from other similar houses) to Bournville.

Was wondering if Bournville Village Trust might know anything. Possibly not that closely linked, but you never know.
 
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I wondered that Viv but, in that case, when did it become a separate property?
Even on 1911 census it doesn't get a separate listing.
Wonder about 1921 census?
 
It struck me as odd that there is a Barn and cottages so close to Wiggins Hill Farm. It makes me think that the Old Barn cottage(s) might have been workers and/or a bailiffs cottage(s).
 
Your map matches the map I posted in post # 18
If it was originally two cottages would it have been listed in with the farm or listed separately on the censuses?
 
Here are the OS images from 1834 and 1862 editions, which describe it as Wigginshall, not a Farm, but a hamlet

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There were two cottages when purchased in 1938 according to post #1 Janice. Two would make sense if they were workers cottages.

So the map's earlier Mike. Very little change! Apologies, the second map I posted is 1834. Here's the 1909 one.Shall edit earlier post. Thanks Mike and Janice.

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Vivienne14 said:
There were two cottages when purchased in 1938 according to post #1 Janice. Two would make sense if they were workers cottages.

So they're earlier Mike. Very little change!

Apologies, the second map is 1834. Here's the 1909 one.Shall edit post. Thanks Mike and Janice.

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Yes 2 workers cottages but I still wonder if 1938 was when they became separate from the farm or if it was earlier.
 
Got it ! Thanks Janice.

A bit of background to the occupants and activities at Wiggins Hill Farm (WHF). from 1900 onwards. It may help a little (or not) to narrow down a date. After the 1930s I get the impression the family is no longer farming. So the separation date could feasibly be 1938. Can't, however, find any hard evidence yet. All sourced from British Newspaper Archives.

1902 WHF had a bailiff
1911 Rymond advertised for waggoner with lad, cottage provided at 18s per week
1916 Rymond family occupied WHF, advertised potatoes for sale
1914-1918 Bailiff for Joshua Rymond at WHF was Walter Rumble
1920s farm was managed by 'Josh Rymond'
1930s Jervais (Gervais) Rymond and wife Amelia living at WHF. Wife drowned in nearby canal in 1931 (aged 31)
1932 Jervais of WHF committed lighting offence (?)
1939 Walter Rymond of WHF was known as "Old House Walter"
1940s Walter Rymond frequently advertising items for sale from WHF: Pigs (1940), Boilers and Steamers (1941), Horse box trailer 1943), carthorse (1944), car spares (1944), farmhouse sink (1947), steel water butts (1948), storage for laid up cars or caravans (1950), garden roller (1951), lawnmower (1953), garage doors (1955)
1970s Jervais died - on his death there was WHF and 'holdings'
 
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There's much more activity in newspapers relating to Walter Rymond. He seems to have dealt with a diversity of items and was doing so at least from the 1930s through to the 1950s. He also seems to have handled either the letting or sale of other property (outside of Minworth) - all privately advertised via Walter, so presumably owned by the family. I've now seen a couple of early 1900 adverts where Jervais advertised for a farm worker with the option of a cottage for rent. It doesn't name the cottage or say where it was, so it could be located somewhere else, of course.

Jervais (Gervais) seems to have been the farmer of the family, mainly livestock. I think they had a shop or shops too - butchers. In 1917, Jervais (and other local farmers) were appealing to the government for skilled agricultural workers to maintain the home food supply from farms, even suggesting they be brought back from military depots or the Front !
 
Jervis (Jervais/Gervais) Rymonds death in 1970. (Source: British Newspaper Archive). A tidy sum in 1970.
 

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I have wondered whether the two cottages that Frank Armstrong knocked into one were Wiggins Hill Cottages but the entry in the 1939 register suggests not. I think that I will be havng a holiday in the archives next time I'm across in the Uk
 

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Goayr Ben said:
I have wondered whether the two cottages that Frank Armstrong knocked into one were Wiggins Hill Cottages but the entry in the 1939 register suggests not. I think that I will be havng a holiday in the archives next time I'm across in the Uk
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and this is the 39 for frederick walter terry who sold the cottages to your uncle...he was at bricklyn farm bulls lane which i think is still there



lyn

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Hi! Janice
I think it quite likely that he purchased a neighbouring farm but he only wanted the land and not the buildings
 
Goayr Ben said:
I have wondered whether the two cottages that Frank Armstrong knocked into one were Wiggins Hill Cottages but the entry in the 1939 register suggests not. I think that I will be havng a holiday in the archives next time I'm across in the Uk
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No Wiggins hill cottages are on the other side of the lane from Wiggins Hill Farm and Old Barn.
Marked on map ref posted in post #56
 
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