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Joanna

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I am currently looking into an Isabella Holyoak. On her daughters birth certificate she is shown as Isabella Flint formerly Hollyoak.

Holyoak/Hollyoak - it seems to be spelt differently on every census and all the BMDs :(

After a long search I think I have found her birth as Isabella Amelia Hollioake in Q1 1855 in Aston. I then found a marriage between Alfred Frederick Flint and an Isabella Amelia Beech Q2 1874.

It all ties in apart from the Beech part? Can anyone shed any light on why this might be different?
 
Could it be she married a Beech first and was widowed - then married Flint; She would have been a Beech for her second marriage. Does that make sense? Check for a Holioake /Beech mariage - then a Beech death,

Steve
 
Hi Joanna

Hope you find out! Just replying as I am also researching the Holyoaks and Isabella is a family name although a bit earlier than your Isabella! I have links to Tanworth in warwickshire and the Isle of Man?

Good luck

Kaz
 
1851 Railway terrace, Aston
Joseph beech age 23
Eliza age 24
James 3
Sarah Ann 2
Betsy Stanley age 17 sister in law

Joseph Beech married Eliza Stanley,25th Oct 1847,St. martins

Joseph must have then died and in 1858 Eliza Beech married
Jacob Hollioake although their daughter was obviously born 1855 before their marriage.


By 1861 Jacob was also deceased(not much luck for Eliza)

Birchall Terrace Duddeston.

Eliza Hollick age 36 widow
James Beech 12 son
Mary Beech age 8 daughter
Isabella Hollick age 6 daughter
 
Oh my god, that's fantastic - thank you so much, that definately explains it all and now I am 99% sure I am looking at the right people.

So if I would like to find a death for Joseph Beech just to establish when he died.

This is fabulous, thank you.
 
Death of Joseph Beech possibly a bit difficult.
I have searched for his death Birmingham in the GRO records and not found one.
I searched 1851 to 1858,reasoning that eliza may have left and been living with Jacob when Isabella was born and they were not free to marry until 1858.
There are many entries for deaths of Joseph Beech between those years but they are not in birmingham and as those years did not index age it is
a huge task.I cannot see that his work as Brass Nail caster could take him away from home.

If you get the marriage certificate of Eliza Beech and Jacob Hollioake and her fathers surname is Stanley it verifies it as your family.
 
Thanks Alberta, that's all really helpful!

I am currently awaiting birth and marriage certificates for Isabella and once I have those - it should help to confirm some details. Hopefully they will arrive today or tomorrow and I will keep you updated.

Thanks for all your help!
 
Another quick question, I was just looking up the Stanley family, and whilst I can locate them in 1841 I am struggling to see any of them - other than Eliza, in 1851?
 
Okay so certificates have arrived and

Birth Certificate

Isabella Amelia Hollioake, father Jacob Hollioake, mother Eliza Hollioake formerly Standley

Marriage Certificate

Isabella Amelia Beech, father Joseph Beech


So would you go with the birth certificate of Jacob Hollioake as her real father even though on her marriage it says her father is Joseph Beech?
 
I am at a loss here Joanna.

If she had been registered Beech and then used her stepfathers name Hollioake when she married I could have understood it but it appears that she was registered as Jacobs child.

To add further to your dilemma.........

1871 Old Cross Street,Birmingham

Eliza Holyoak age 44 Tailoress widow
Mary age 18 daughter
Isabella age 16 daughter
Harriett age 7 daughter
Joseph age 4 son.

Have found baptism of Joseph 14th september 1868 Bishop Ryder.
parents Jacob and Eliza.

In 1881 Harriet and Joseph are living Long Acre with Eliza now Elizabeth still calling herself a widow.

I don't know about you but I think that I shall lie down in a darkened room for a while, LOL.
 
I might join you :rolleyes:

Cripes. I *think* Hollioake seems the most likely, and he was obviously still on the scene is Joseph was baptised as Jacobs son.
 
If Jacob is still on the scene I can't find him but then up til now I cannot find Harriett and Joseph under any spelling of Hollioake.

The plot thickens!
 
Just digging this back up as it's causing me headaches :P

On IGI Isabella's parents are listed as Eliza Stanley and Jacob Beech.

That's a combination of Jacob Holyoak and Jospeh Beech!

I'm struggling to find anything on these people - what's the chances of Jacob/Joseph being the same person?!!!

I know IGI can be wrong but they can't just pluck that out of the air?
 
Hello Joanna, I don't think that Joseph and Jacob are the same person. There is the marriage of Eliza to Joseph Beech, and I have just looked on the IGI and there is the her marriage to Jacob HOLICAKE, 13th September 1858 at Aston Parish church. I think even Eliza's children got a bit muddled as to who their father really was.
Maybe more searching of the census will eventually turn up Jacob, and I do wonder if Joseph was still alive when Eliza 'married' Jacob.
 
thanks Di. I need to look into it a bit more carefully today as on one census Eliza born abt 1827 has a sister Elizabeth born abt 1833. Children I thought were Elizas now look like they could be Elizabeths. I'm so confused, think I need to go back to the beginning on this one.
 
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