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Bernard67Arnold

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Took my little Clio to a local garage for Major sevice and MOT, they delivered it back at 4.00pm with a bill, including parts, labour, VAT etc; £176 Didnt think that was too bad. Bernard.
 
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The last time I took a car for MOT was about 14 years ago. A Citroen XM I presented the bill for £1200 to my Mrs. " Don't worry about it , the company pays for it" she said.
 
The Renault clio was Enids, she always insisted in having it serviced by the main dealers, and they charged her an arm and a leg, their spares are top book. That price was
very reasonable I thought. About four years ago I came home from filling up, and had a fuel leak, I called out the AA man, the fuel pump was under the back seat. He
took the cover off and there was a nest of field mice on top of the pump, they had bitten thru a rubber pipe, hench the leak.The car was garaged as well, most have been nice and warm for them. Bernard
 
I don't need to raid my piggy bank for you then Bernard?. Not too bad al all. What happened to the field mice Bernard?. Jean.
 
I don't need to raid my piggy bank for you then Bernard?. Not too bad al all. What happened to the field mice Bernard?. Jean.
Hi we only ever found one, he was under one the wheels when i backed out the car.The car was Enids, she always took it to Main Dealership, and Renault
are quite dear for spares etc; Everyone seems to think its very reasonable for MOT and service. Two years ago I payed £634 which included a new water pump. Was lyn a good friend of yours, didnt you go to skool
together? Must have been an awlful shock for her, I know exactly how she feels.Dont forget Pete and your
self have an open invitation to call and see me, take care now Bernie
 
The motor industry made and makes no or little money out of the MOT - the Motor trade may have done but now it is very much controlled by the Ministry and competition.When I htink of how I kept my first car on the road and even cheated teh MOT inpsectors I am only too glad that we have such a schem in place.
 
the garages may not make anything out of the test fee, but here in Cambridge they make a fortune out of the work they tell you needs doing, the average price of labour here is £65.00 and I never have an mot cost me less than £150, £200, and sometimes a lot more this with a car which has done less than 44000 miles in ten years and is serviced every year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Not yet paid more than the basic fee for an MOT. I make sure it it prepped correctly befor they get their hands on it. My son is an ex MOT tester which helps.
 
Pete's friend is too Bernie and he has his own garage with a pit next door but one. It is good to have someone you know and not get ripped off. Jean.
 
I agree with you jean they are in the main corrrupt and rip off merchants and when you think in europe its every two years not one like here.
 
I suspect that some of you can recollect the terrible state a lot of cars were in before the introduction of the MOT. In the 50s I was a car mad little boy who knew every car in his street and a bit further. Some from before the war were commonly seen with heavily rusted panels, bald tyres and string holding all sorts together. No doubt the mechanical condition was little better. These cars disappeared very quickly once the MOT came in. The new cars also rusted very quickly. Paint technology lagged behind and rust blisters could appear within months of buying a new car. Remember BMCs rusting sub frames, Vauxhall wings and Lancia's disaster of a car that they stopped selling in the UK.
As a traffic cop in the 70's vehicles in a dangerous condition were my staple work.
Vehicle Production has changed greatly. Look around and you will see cars of 10 years still looking good with no obvious sign of what really kills a car...Rust. It is now computerised engine management systems under the bonnet. So no spending Sunday morning with feeler gauges and a screwdriver adjusting those bothersome points and carburettor settings. Too some it was fun but to me it was a pain. On picking up new cars in recent times I have been shown the oil and water checks and been told not to touch anything else as modern engines are not customer friendly.Cars break down less but do cost more to fix. Lets face it, you cannot buy balls of string from Woolworths anymore.

My first car had to be seviced every 3,000 miles. My last car was serviced every 10,000.
 
I wasn't questioning the idea of the MOT test this is vital on todays roads of course. It was the manipulation of the garage trade around it. The latest in a series of trials by "which" backed by the AA and RAC confirms that of 25 cars placed in garages around the country in various locations over half failed to spot life threating faults and over a 1/3 charged for work which was niether nessessary or needed, and of those 25% charged nearly double the going rate for the unessessary work I rest my case.
 
the garages may not make anything out of the test fee, but here in Cambridge they make a fortune out of the work they tell you needs doing, the average price of labour here is £65.00 and I never have an mot cost me less than £150, £200, and sometimes a lot more this with a car which has done less than 44000 miles in ten years and is serviced every year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello again Paul, I think I got a good deal for a local garage. I dont do many miles these
day, about 4,000 between MOTs, and the Clio is only due for service every two years which is quite good. My motoring days are almost over, there are too many boy+
girl racers on the roads for me. Did you notice the tie on the Chelsea Pens; photo? Take care now, Bernie
 
Paul I agree with you that the system is open to abuse. I also do not like the fact that the certificate only applies to the mechanical state of the car at the time of test. Thats an an open door for slapdash testing with the garage saying well it was ok when we saw it.
 
My Hyundai Tuscon is in tomorrow morning at 0900, my son will meet me there and then I will go with him to Gloucester for a short visit and on the way back we must call into Stourbridge for some security gadgets for my sons work, then on to Halesowen to collect my Hyundai. It will have been given a 5 year service and a new MOT. The garage proprietor is a friend so the work will be free although I supply the filters and oil. My son sorts out any problems with security at the garage and the houses of the owner and his son.
 
I dropped my Tuscon at the garage and my son picked me up at 0855. He drove to the outskirts of Gloucester where measured some windows and doors. He phoned the measurements to his suppliers and we came back to Halesowen. My Tuscon was ready and waiting. 5 year service and new MOT plus a tin of diesel tretment to keep the fuel system and injectors clean. All for nothing because of my son.
 
Paul I agree with you that the system is open to abuse. I also do not like the fact that the certificate only applies to the mechanical state of the car at the time of test. Thats an an open door for slapdash testing with the garage saying well it was ok when we saw it.
That with all due respect is not an option that a sensible MOT outlet would take as the Ministry carry out spot checks which take place immediately via a computer link wioth inspectors sitting outside the garagte. A local agent lost his suthoruty to carry out testing recently and as a result lost his garage as he needed the revenue he got from the testing. What happened in his case was the MOT agents called the car abck in immmediately and uncovered faults that should have been picked up and weren't or in fact probably were with a promise that they would be fixed by the customer later.
 
AA and RAC spot checks are still showing required work not carried out on both MOT and services. The fact your local agent was caught proves the point. How much is down to lazyness by the mechanic or systamatic fraud by policy of the garage is open to question as the reply when challenged is that it was forgotten.
 
I think half the battle is having a good trustworthy garage, not always easy to find. I was reccommended my present garage 15 years ago and I have used them ever since, on the odd occassion he has had to change parts he always offers you the old part back (last year it was a water pump). I find is service and Mot bills reasonable and the workmanship good, An added bonus is it is only a 15 minute walk away. Eric
 
It is certainly good luck when you find a really good garage, and to find one which is reliable and good value for money is a god send,I did have a small local garage once who was both of these but unfortunatly he passed on, and the garage closed so I do use the one nearest to me as a rule but threr have been occassions when I know instictivley I have been ripped off, owning a Renault laguna I would never use the main dealer.
paul
 
I suspect that some of you can recollect the terrible state a lot of cars were in before the introduction of the MOT. In the 50s I was a car mad little boy who knew every car in his street and a bit further. Some from before the war were commonly seen with heavily rusted panels, bald tyres and string holding all sorts together. No doubt the mechanical condition was little better. These cars disappeared very quickly once the MOT came in. The new cars also rusted very quickly. Paint technology lagged behind and rust blisters could appear within months of buying a new car. Remember BMCs rusting sub frames, Vauxhall wings and Lancia's disaster of a car that they stopped selling in the UK.
As a traffic cop in the 70's vehicles in a dangerous condition were my staple work.
Vehicle Production has changed greatly. Look around and you will see cars of 10 years still looking good with no obvious sign of what really kills a car...Rust. It is now computerised engine management systems under the bonnet. So no spending Sunday morning with feeler gauges and a screwdriver adjusting those bothersome points and carburettor settings. Too some it was fun but to me it was a pain. On picking up new cars in recent times I have been shown the oil and water checks and been told not to touch anything else as modern engines are not customer friendly.Cars break down less but do cost more to fix. Lets face it, you cannot buy balls of string from Woolworths anymore.

My first car had to be seviced every 3,000 miles. My last car was serviced every 10,000.



I seriously believe that modern cars are far better than cars of the past, thankfully they "dont make em like thay used to"

Not only rusty sub frames,( A BMC trait) do you remember when quite young Fords failed because the front McPherson struts ( suspension legs, not a Scottish dance) were about to rust through the inner wings?
 
when i was a mot tester is saw some bodge jobs the best was a piece of wood holding a rear spring together on a morris 1000
 
when i was a mot tester is saw some bodge jobs the best was a piece of wood holding a rear spring together on a morris 1000

That was a common one. A car could look good in the 60s and 70s but it was certainly a case of buyer beware. Sills stuffed with newspapers and covered in Isopon filler was another regular. Open the bonnet and you would find the inner wing panels rusted through. The best wearing vehicles were often the farmers cars covered in dung. Must be something in farmyard dung that the purveyors of underseal never caught on to.

Todays cars are far and away better engineered and built than in the past. Cars have strength designed into them making them lighter and more fuel efficient rather than being built from thick steel. Engines are more reliable, not so time demanding. More time driving , less time fiddling. Now all you have to do is afford the petrol.
 
The introduction of the MOT test was a licence for the already over bloated motor industry to print money'.

In Belgium the MOT stations are totally independent from garages so that they don't earn one penny on servicing or parts, a good fair system I think even if they are very strict. Each area has one station and sometimes you are in big queue but you can make an appointment via internet.
 
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