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Moseley Tea & Honey Shop ?

Its got me thinking. I did try a reverse image search, but to no avail. The house and outbuilding seem to be cut into sloping ground so maybe Salsbury Road by the hall or near to Park hill?
 
could be a difficult one mort trouble is everywhere will look so different now...i wonder if kellys directories list people who sell honey and bees wax...just a thought

lyn
 
Looks like a smallholding or a nursery (the plant type) to me, not a cottage as part of a farm. And it's separated off from the surrounding fields. There's a woman in the photo, maybe running the 'business' ? Clothing looks about c1910ish. There's a very distinctive single chimney pot. Wonder if that was for a particular purpose. Interesting arrangement of gates with a row of hedges behind them, as though theres a pathway in between.. The arches appear to be guiding whoever visits the place along a pathway. I think I can see people - below yellow dot. Was it a tea garden ? ("Tea provided" ie cups of tea?)
 

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Came across this. Don't really know what to make of it ! It's an advert for cycle tyres. Presumably, this is about days out on your bicycle. Could be complete coincidence, of course. It mentions a glimpse of the sea ! But it gives us a romantic sense of what "Teas provided" could entail.
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About Fern Cottage and Tolkien, a couple of Internet extracts. It was once the cottage of the postman' and his wife.

J.R.R. Tolkien​

J R R Tolkien 1892-1973 lived in Rednal for a while during his mother’s final illness.

In the summer of 1904 when Tolkien was 12 years old and living in a run-down inner-city area on the borders of north Edgbaston and Ladywood, Father Francis Xavier Morgan of the Birmingham Oratory arranged for the family to stay in the rural isolation of Rednal.

Fern Cottage, built in the mid-18th-century stood in the grounds of the Oratory Retreat, at the rear of the . It was the local postman’s house and the Tolkien’s rented two rooms here with meals provided by the postman’s wife.

Tolkien spent that summer holiday wandering with his younger brother around the Lickey Hills.

His mother died that November of diabetes.

The property has been let as a holiday cottage in the past but is at the moment let to private tenants.

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Not within the Oratory’s property, but in a lane immediately to the rear, the local postman and his wife had a cottage. Father Francis arranged for two rooms to be rented for the Tolkien’s, and for the lady of the house to provide food and household support. Overjoyed by their idyllic new surroundings, the boys probably did not realise how fast their mother’s condition was deteriorating. In November 1904, with Father Francis and her sister present, Mabel Tolkien quietly passed away. It was not to be the end of Rednall and the Lickey Hills for the Tolkiens, for in the years to come there were to be countless visits with Father Francis to the Oratory House. Indeed it was a location of some significance as the woods in the rear of the Oratory House, and across the Hills in general, manifestly helped in the formation of the forest atmospherics of J. R. R.’s future fiction, and the name of the Elvish village of 'Rivendell' it seems was adapted from Rednall.
 
just looking again at the photo i think i can see at least 3 possibly 4 bee hives on the right ?

i wonder if someone could look up to see where david moseley and sons where in birmingham

there also seems to be another sign on the brick wall to the left of the other signs but just cant make out what it says..could it be the name of the house/cottage ?

lyn
 
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i agree viv...looks spot on to me well done pedro...it looks like we need someone to visit the oratory retreat then to see if the cottage is still there..reading this i found it is

geoffs photo clearly states it was taken in moseley so this serves as a reminder that we cant always believe what the location says...mistakes do happen...



lyn
 
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The reason I asked Geoff if there was a theme to any photos or pictures at the pub where the tea and honey photo was spotted, is that it might have been used as the basis of advertising for Moseley tyres. (For example, perhaps the theme was cycling, or days out places to visit etc etc).

And as an aside, and a very much off the wall idea, was the woman in photo #1 a member of the Tolkien family?

Like I say, just looking at possibilities/explanations/interesting aspects.
 
thanks viv...now that we have identified the location we need to find our exactly where the oratory retreat is as the cottage is in those grounds..

lyn
 
I was unable to find any other mentions of any Tea and Honey Shop, so why one in Moseley? Viv’s advert mentioned what seemed to describe a cycle ride out in the country. Looking again at the picture shows a hill behind, so how about a ride out to the Lickey Hills?
Google "cottage Lickey Hills" and choose images, and the second choice is shown looked a bit like the original picture. But I didn't twig it could be the one. Serendipity ?
 
pedro i think viv is correct in saying that the location given as moseley is due to the advert for moseley cycles...no doubt in my mind that the fern cottage you found is correct..info suggests it is/was in the grounds of the oratory retreat...whever that is..

lyn
 
Interesting read…
“ Later that year he went for a cycle ride with his girlfriend, Edith Bratt, who lived in the same lodging house in Edgbaston. They had tea at the same cottage. Tolkien was supposed to spend all his time studying, so he and Edith kept their friendship secret.”

 
The main house was the Birmingham Oratory Retreat and had a Catholic burial ground. Fern Cottage was in a lane to the rear of the Oratory Retreat.

The Catholics of New York raised a collection as a testimonial to that and it was the money provided by this that at last enables Saint Philip’s spirit from the hands of Newman to venture on the purchase of ground for a burial spot. Situated on the brow of one of the four ‘Lickey Hills’, eight miles from Edgbaston, the cemetery was sited, and a small house built as a place of quiet community retreat. Not within the Oratory’s property, but in a lane immediately to the rear, the local postman and his wife had a cottage. Father Francis arranged for two rooms to be rented for the Tolkien’s, and for the lady of the house to provide food and household support. Overjoyed by their idyllic new surroundings, the boys probably did not realise how fast their mother’s condition was deteriorating. In November 1904, with Father Francis and her sister present, Mabel Tolkien quietly passed away. It was not to be the end of Rednall and the Lickey Hills for the Tolkiens, for in the years to come there were to be countless visits with Father Francis to the Oratory House. Indeed it was a location of some significance as the woods in the rear of the Oratory House, and across the Hills in general, manifestly helped in the formation of the forest atmospherics of J. R. R.’s future fiction, and the name of the Elvish village of 'Rivendell' it seems was adapted from Rednall.
 
Well spotted Pedro .... it appears to be a wrongly labelled photo, but it prompted an interesting thread. And Rednal is still within the scope of the Forum.
Viv: there was no identifiable theme to the 5 or 6 photos on the pub wall .... except that they are all (supposed to be) in Moseley.
 
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I was unable to find any other mentions of any Tea and Honey Shop, so why one in Moseley? Viv’s advert mentioned what seemed to describe a cycle ride out in the country. Looking again at the picture shows a hill behind, so how about a ride out to the Lickey Hills?
Google "cottage Lickey Hills" and choose images, and the second choice is shown looked a bit like the original picture. But I didn't twig it could be the one. Serendipity ?
1903 map
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