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Looking at old maps it seems the location is the same or at least very close. c1886Greetings All,
Searching the internet I see today is a "Malt Shovel" standing today on Newton Rd, Great Barr, Birmingham https://www.stonehouserestaurants.c...ce=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=gmb
I'm wondering if it is the same location as that of my ancestor Charles Newey. Has anyone been to this pub? By chance do you know the history? Does anyone here have any information and/or anecdotes that they could provide?
Wonderful! Thank you for taking the time to search for, and pull up, the map(s) in such a useful format! This is so helpful, as it helps put together other pieces of the family puzzle. On the old map I see the "Peartree Farm" immediately to northwest of the "Malt Shovel". The 1861 census lists residents of the "Pear Tree Farm", which include my 3rd great grandfather Charles Newey and his family. "Charles Newey" (43) is listed as "Mast(er)? Maltster" on the farm and not the Inn. His son, my 2nd great grandfather "William" (16), is listed as "Maltster's Son". Had not noticed this before, but on the 1861 census a "William Emery" is listed as proprietor and "Publican" of the Malt Shovel Inn. It turns out Charles Newey is married to Ann (Emery) Newey, daughter of William Emery and wife Catherine. I was not previously aware of the relationship and proximity of the families. The article I posted previously indicates that, by 1863, Charles and his wife Ann (Emery) were proprietors of the Malt Shovel, perhaps to their dismay given the unfortunate shooting incident. William Henry later comes to the US and begins a career as a Methodist Minister, perhaps as a result of observing, and participating? in, the bar room antics. More than you wanted to know, but immensely helpful to me in assembling the puzzle. Thank you again!Looking at old maps it seems the location is the same or at least very close. c1886
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Modern map - I used the canal on the right as a guide.
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Thank you.Referring you to Hitchmoughs Black Country pubs , West Bromwich (which may be downloaded), at https://www.longpull.co.uk/downloads.html. Here it gives photos of the new pub , which was apparently built after the old pub was demolished in 1935 for road widening . Unfortunately no information on the original pub
I used to hang out in the Golden Eagle 1979 ish. So many memories - I was 16 and when the police came in on a Saturday lunchtime we'd hide in the ladies till they'd gone. Also went to Bogarts upstairs -those purple fittings and disco ball lights - felt so sophisticated! had no money but went there and hung about with some bikers - Loz, and some others from Dudley area.my fave watering holes were the Golden Eagle - a rough bikers pub at top of new street - bulldozed down and became extension to post office. Also Bogarts on New Street and Costermongers near Brum market at back of tescos near oasis - well thats where they were if I remember correctly back to 1980s. I also remember when Tesco was the Beehive. Oh gosh I'm getting old:cry:
anj63, welcome to the Forum, great place and folks! EnjoyI used to hang out in the Golden Eagle 1979 ish. So many memories - I was 16 and when the police came in on a Saturday lunchtime we'd hide in the ladies till they'd gone. Also went to Bogarts upstairs -those purple fittings and disco ball lights - felt so sophisticated! had no money but went there and hung about with some bikers - Loz, and some others from Dudley area.
Great work Janice!Looking at old maps it seems the location is the same or at least very close. c1886
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Not sure if this is of interest to you but We had our wedding reception the Malt Shovel on Newton Road in 1964. It was a nice clean place with a friendly trusting landlord. We left for our honeymoon and had not paid for the reception but we called back a week later and paid up. I asked him about his bill and he said that he knew we would be back to settle up. That would not happen these days. I think that there is a new one built on the same site now.Wonderful! Thank you for taking the time to search for, and pull up, the map(s) in such a useful format! This is so helpful, as it helps put together other pieces of the family puzzle. On the old map I see the "Peartree Farm" immediately to northwest of the "Malt Shovel". The 1861 census lists residents of the "Pear Tree Farm", which include my 3rd great grandfather Charles Newey and his family. "Charles Newey" (43) is listed as "Mast(er)? Maltster" on the farm and not the Inn. His son, my 2nd great grandfather "William" (16), is listed as "Maltster's Son". Had not noticed this before, but on the 1861 census a "William Emery" is listed as proprietor and "Publican" of the Malt Shovel Inn. It turns out Charles Newey is married to Ann (Emery) Newey, daughter of William Emery and wife Catherine. I was not previously aware of the relationship and proximity of the families. The article I posted previously indicates that, by 1863, Charles and his wife Ann (Emery) were proprietors of the Malt Shovel, perhaps to their dismay given the unfortunate shooting incident. William Henry later comes to the US and begins a career as a Methodist Minister, perhaps as a result of observing, and participating? in, the bar room antics. More than you wanted to know, but immensely helpful to me in assembling the puzzle. Thank you again!
Wow, thank you so much Lynnhi john you are in luck with the bridge tavern as i found this one some years ago in the library dated 1961 and is the only photo i have ever seen..if you use the search box you may find photos of the other pubs somewhere on the forum
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And thank you Mikejee and MWS. Wow, some stuff for me to follow up about his death and bigamous marriage!! Thanks for your great help. Much appreciated. JohnA few mentions of James in the newspapers, about his death in 1919 (suffocating in a fire) and his second wife marrying him bigamously.
Mikejee - have just looked up that same corner of Barn St & Fazeley St on Google Street View. Looka a bit different these days!
According to 1915 Kelly's (taken in 1914), it was indeed called 'The Vulcan', and run by James Albert Gough.P.S. Re: "The Vulcan" in Barn Street: I see on Google that there is currently a pub/grill "The Barn" in Barn Street. Could this have been called "The Vulcan" in/around 1915 and renamed at some point?
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Yes, I absolutely agree Robert. Priceless! Thank you to all who have so quickly stepped up to help me.I have just been reading John Hunts post regarding his search for pubs run by his relative. In a mater of minutes there are photos and information of news paper articles. This forum is priceless, well done to every one involved.
Thanks for that Robert. From what I now gather, the Vulcan was at the other end of Barn Street, to where the current Barn pub & grill is - actually on the corner with Fazely Street, wher now stands a black, rather plain looking building which appears to be a snooker hall. Thank you for your kind input.According to 1915 Kelly's (taken in 1914), it was indeed called 'The Vulcan', and run by James Albert Gough.View attachment 168281