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Looking for: Descendants of Florence Jenkins

Well we know edward was baptised with parents Albert and Emma so it makes sense both were Alberts
Especially as 3 later children were all reg as White/Webb. (Emma, Joseph and James)

No idea why they had some chidren baptised but not others.

Edit: we don't know about Edward's baptism but the info about the paper children still makes me think the 2 older ones were Alberts
 
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pjmburns said:
Well we know edward was baptised with parents Albert and Emma so it makes sense both were Alberts
Especially as 3 later children were all reg as White/Webb. (Emma, Joseph and James)

No idea why they had some chidren baptised but not others.

Edit: we don't know about Edward's baptism but the info about the paper children still makes me think the 2 older ones were Alberts
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I obtained the death certificates for both Edward and Walter which confirm Albert Edward Jenkins as father of both. Still not sure why Walter and Alice were listed as White (Alice was registered as Jenkins on her marriage certificate). Was it common for people to change their surname on census without an official marriage? It seems Emma Jane did this twice (from Webb to Jenkins and Jenkins to White).

I'm trying to figure out when Emma Jane and William White got together but details are scant indeed. I believe he was not religious which could possibly explain Emma Jane, James and Joseph White not being baptised?
 
Back then people were less able to check records so it was possible for people to give "false" names. I think both Lyn and I have relatives giving wrong info about dates of marriages and /or surnames - presumably knowing no one could or would check.
The Emma/Albert is a puzzle when banns were read.
 
pjmburns said:
Back then people were less able to check records so it was possible for people to give "false" names. I think both Lyn and I have relatives giving wrong info about dates of marriages and /or surnames - presumably knowing no one could or would check.
The Emma/Albert is a puzzle when banns were read.
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On the 1901 census forms it doesn't look like anyone from the household had to sign/attest to the accuracy of info given. Sounds like it was quite easy to provide different information!

I haven't been able to figure out what happens if the banns are read but the couple doesn't marry - is there a time limit between when banns are read and the marriage has to take place before it becomes null and void? Emma Taylor died on 22nd of May 1900 according to her death certificate and the first banns reading for Albert and Emma Jane took place on July 1st so I wonder if the short timeframe has any bearing here?
 
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Not sure what that implies.

Does that mean that Edward and Walter were sons of William rather than Albert and that Emma had left Albert before he died? If so why put year of 'marriage' as 1909 instead of 1905ish.

And if they actually were Albert's why list 2 and 1 for children. If they misunderstood the question why not 4 and 2, including Alice and Harold.
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According to the death certificate of Edward Jenkins, Albert was signed as present for the death which happened on 9th of June 1906. Walter Oswald was born on the 2nd of March 1907 but the certificate is signed by Emma Jane so it's anyone's guess as to when Albert left for Handsworth prior to his death in 1908. Not sure how I could figure this out but will give it a crack.

The 1909 date for William White and Emma Jane came from someone in the extended family but given the previous inaccuracies you've all helped me uncover here I'm going to hold it lightly until I do some more digging!
 
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On the 1901 census forms it doesn't look like anyone from the household had to sign/attest to the accuracy of info given. Sounds like it was quite easy to provide different information!

I haven't been able to figure out what happens if the banns are read but the couple doesn't marry - is there a time limit between when banns are read and the marriage has to take place before it becomes null and void? Emma Taylor died on 22nd of May 1900 according to her death certificate and the first banns reading for Albert and Emma Jane took place on July 1st so I wonder if the short timeframe has any bearing here?
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1911 was the first census which was filled in and signed by a member of the family. Prior to that enumerators went from house to house collecting the information and recording it - I assume because far fewer people could read and write.

I wondered about the short time frame betwen the first Emma's death and the banns but it did happen especially if a man was eft with young children to look after. The only other thing I can think of is that somoene "objected" to the marriage. Banns are read to allow people to put forward a reason why a marriage might not take place. No idea if banns "lapse" after a certain time

Just checked and present day ruling is marriage musta take lace within 3 months of the reading of the banns. No idea if that was the case on 1900.
 
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The 1909 date probably came from the fact it says Emma and william had been married for 2 years on the 1911 census rather than seeing an actual record of the marriage.
 
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