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London Prentice Street

hi sylv..glad you can see it...i cant see any of the images posted on this thread....

lyn
 
reposting london prentice st pic and also a new one showing the demolision of the street...

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According to Showell's Dictionary of Birmingham:

LONDON PRENTICE STREET was called Western Street or Westley's Row on the old maps, it's continuation, the Coach Yard, being then Pemberton's Yard. How the name London 'Prentice Street came to be given to the delectable thoroughfare is one of "those things no fellow can understand." At one time there was a schoolroom there, the boys being taught good manners upstairs, while they could learn lessons of depravity below. With the anxious desire of putting the best face on everything that characterises the present local "fathers of the people," the London 'Prentice has been sent to the right-about, and the nasty, dirty, stinking thoroughfare is now called "Dalton Street."
 
Thanks Lyn,
Thats what I was looking for, Judy and I had ancestors living there c 1850s.Mine was a gt.gt.grandad,named Erotinard,born 1815 in Spain his father was a soldier,(15th Hussars) during the peninsular war,his mother was a "lady of Spain".Imagine a Spanish born chimney sweep in an Irish community,no wonder he changed his name to Edward.
 
Thought I'd post 3 maps to help show over time the street name changes mentioned in previous posts (as some of this info was lost after hacking). Viv

Westley's 1731 map - here it's called Westley's Row. Wonder if it was named after the mapmaker then?
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From Tallis's World Map 1851- here it's London Apprentice Street
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From the OS 1890 map - here it's Dalton Street
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Viv.
 
Thank you for posting those maps Viv. Very little remained of Dalton Street last time I went to find it some years ago, but it helps to know where our ancestors used to live. Mine who lived there were Irish, as were many who lived in London Prentice Street.

Judy
 
sylviasayers said:
Thanks for the photo Lyn, my great grandparents lived at 42 London Prentice Street in 1881, it is wonderful to see what it was like. It had a dreadful reputation from what I have read in articles by Carl Chinn, and they were mainly Irish or of Irish descent, as were my family. There is another thread on the Forum re this street but I have never seen a photo before.
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Jeremiah Walters lived at 46. A relative of my mothers.
 
quite a few years between reply but here goes. my Great grandmother Susannah ( susan ) Jackson nee Rawlins/Rawlings was born at number 20 London Prentice Street, either 18 March or December 1847 and her parents, my great great grandparents Edward and Catherine ( nee Nock ) lived there according to their marriage certificate on their wedding day 18th January 1847. my great great granddad has been a labourer and a gun stocker/finisher during the 1840-60s. anyone got any links ..... I see the Cadman family have been mentioned too ... my mums closest friend was a Madge ( probably Margaret ) Cadman during the 1910 - 1960s period. please get in touch if so.
 
We've had cause to look at London Prentice Street just lately and I was really pleased to find these photos and this thread brought to the top. The family that we've been looking at lived there in the 1700's. possibly not long after the houses were built. Looking at the pictures these properties must have been homes for middle class families when they were built. I'm sure they would have needed the usual army of servants to look after them. I often wonder what the original owners would have thought if they could see them as 'houses of multiple occupancy' as they call them today.
 
Lady Penelope said:
We've had cause to look at London Prentice Street just lately and I was really pleased to find these photos and this thread brought to the top. The family that we've been looking at lived there in the 1700's. possibly not long after the houses were built. Looking at the pictures these properties must have been homes for middle class families when they were built. I'm sure they would have needed the usual army of servants to look after them. I often wonder what the original owners would have thought if they could see them as 'houses of multiple occupancy' as they call them today.
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Hi, I'm searching for a book on London Prentice Street. I have uncovered its history in respect of my family living there. My great grandmother Susan( nah ) Jackson nee Rawlings was born there in 1847. Not the best of starts in life but rose above that start to develop her clothes dealership and give birth to several children, one being my grandad who was attacked/mugged in Allesley Street in July 1966 and died 2 weeks later. I understand that my great aunt Hephzibah Williams nee Jackson had a challenging marriage and her husbands antics led to DH Lawrences first writings ... 'Sons and Lovers' and ' Lady Chatterley's Lover' and more... Theres always a backstory to property and people. Jacobean51

on a separate note I notice you are interested in the family surname of Hiley. my very best friend since 1953 ish is Christopher Hiley. His mother and my mother best friends and worked together at Feasterstone Nursery Erdington which was attached to the grounds of the Orphans Cottage Homes which had been the Aston Union Workhouse in earlier times. Jacobean51
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You might find the attached cutting from the Birmingham gazette. 5.11.1863 of interest. I do not think you will find a book about the street
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on a separate note I notice you are interested in the family surname of Hiley. my very best friend since 1953 ish is Christopher Hiley. His mother and my mother best friends and worked together at Feasterstone Nursery Erdington which was attached to the grounds of the Orphans Cottage Homes which had been the Aston Union Workhouse in earlier times. Jacobean51

Jacobean51 - My Hiley's came from Cromwell Street in Duddeston. George Hiley was my great grandfather. I haven't looked at that side of the family for many years but I have traced them back to John Hiley at the forge in Minworth via Joseph and Emma (Cornforth) in Dartmouth Street. My research into the Hiley's was back before everything was recorded on line so I will have to dig out the box and look through it.
 
Lady Penelope said:
on a separate note I notice you are interested in the family surname of Hiley. my very best friend since 1953 ish is Christopher Hiley. His mother and my mother best friends and worked together at Feasterstone Nursery Erdington which was attached to the grounds of the Orphans Cottage Homes which had been the Aston Union Workhouse in earlier times. Jacobean51

Jacobean51 - My Hiley's came from Cromwell Street in Duddeston. George Hiley was my great grandfather. I haven't looked at that side of the family for many years but I have traced them back to John Hiley at the forge in Minworth via Joseph and Emma (Cornforth) in Dartmouth Street. My research into the Hiley's was back before everything was recorded on line so I will have to dig out the box and look through it.
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Hi Lady Penelope,
I notice you are also interested in the Bennett surname. I have direct family that are Bennetts that was linked via my mothers family in the late 1890s. The Huggins and Bray family have links.
 
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