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Location wanted for this bus if possible
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brummy-lad
master brummie
Amazing drawing Bob, where did you find that from?
The windows we are looking for are on the very far left building (the one showing 5 windows and a door on the drawing), I think this must have been demolished and replaced with the Sunday school building.
We're getting closer though.
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
It seems like we are re-visiting some of the forum's old 'where is this location' threads, so here is one from way back in 2010. The original photo was lost in the famous 2011 hack attack but I recovered it and have inserted it into the quote below. Lots of new members have joined since and maybe someone might recognise the location. It is a difficult one but if solved it would make an old forum member happy !
Please put any possible comments about it in the original thread as quoted below ...
Please put any possible comments about it in the original thread as quoted below ...
I have scanned this from this month's Brummagem magazine with the permission of Carl.
There is a section of photo's by Stan Millington sent in by his sister in law. Stan was a wedding photographer but for pleasure he took photo's around Birmingham. Stan was born in 1909 and died in 1972. I thought it would be nice if we could put more information on this photo.
Grea
master brummie
I originally posted this and despite tremendous efforts by everyone an exact location was never found. You are correct when you say new members may have some new information so resurrecting the post does no harm.
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Pub Historian
I was delighted to see this thread make a comeback - in my humble opinion it is one of the best on the forum. True, there are a few slightly 'silly' posts but, overall, it shows the general grit and determination of the membership, along with some very credible research attempts. When I noticed that the thread was leaning towards St. Luke's Road it reignited my interest.
Although I know virtually nothing about buses and bus routes, I am convinced that this photograph was taken in St. Luke's Road. There are so many elements that fit. Firstly, the bus would be going slightly downhill in the direction of the city centre and this is shown in the original post. Secondly, the bus stop in St. Luke's Road did have a shelter similar to the one pictured. Thirdly, there were cobbles where the bus would park at this stop in St. Luke's Road. Fourthly, there was a keep left sign on the junction [which also featured traffic lights]. Fifthly, the Baptist Chapel did have eight pinnacles. Sixthly, the roofline and gables of the Sunday School were like this - one large, one small [almost dormer-like]. And finally, the end of the building did have three narrow windows.
My only sadness is that it will mean the end of this epic thread!!
Although I know virtually nothing about buses and bus routes, I am convinced that this photograph was taken in St. Luke's Road. There are so many elements that fit. Firstly, the bus would be going slightly downhill in the direction of the city centre and this is shown in the original post. Secondly, the bus stop in St. Luke's Road did have a shelter similar to the one pictured. Thirdly, there were cobbles where the bus would park at this stop in St. Luke's Road. Fourthly, there was a keep left sign on the junction [which also featured traffic lights]. Fifthly, the Baptist Chapel did have eight pinnacles. Sixthly, the roofline and gables of the Sunday School were like this - one large, one small [almost dormer-like]. And finally, the end of the building did have three narrow windows.
My only sadness is that it will mean the end of this epic thread!!
DavidGrain
master brummie
I think we have established that if this is the Wycliffe Chapel then the bus would have been travelling South East on St Luke's Road.
The problem with that as I see it is that the route of the Inner Circle was Sun Street (the continuation of Lee Bank Road from Five Ways) right onto Bristol Street and then left onto Belgrave Road (the road shown with the dotted line signifying a ward boundary). All this has now disappeared under the Middle Ring Road and St Luke's Church was demolished last year.
Unfortunately at the beginning of last week, I did see posted on Facebook a photo of a no. 8 bus making the turn from Bristol Street into Belgrave road with another no. 8 bus travelling in the opposite direction. It would have been on one of the Facebook pages of Old Photographs of Birmingham. I wish now that I had taken a copy of it. On that photo you could see in the distance the spire of the Wycliffe Chapel.
I have to say that I have doubts about the bus passing the side of Wycliffe Chapel.
The problem with that as I see it is that the route of the Inner Circle was Sun Street (the continuation of Lee Bank Road from Five Ways) right onto Bristol Street and then left onto Belgrave Road (the road shown with the dotted line signifying a ward boundary). All this has now disappeared under the Middle Ring Road and St Luke's Church was demolished last year.
Unfortunately at the beginning of last week, I did see posted on Facebook a photo of a no. 8 bus making the turn from Bristol Street into Belgrave road with another no. 8 bus travelling in the opposite direction. It would have been on one of the Facebook pages of Old Photographs of Birmingham. I wish now that I had taken a copy of it. On that photo you could see in the distance the spire of the Wycliffe Chapel.
I have to say that I have doubts about the bus passing the side of Wycliffe Chapel.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Rob's illustration is the best I've seen from the that angle showing both the Chapel and the Sunday School.
James Granger seems to have been a Bookseller and gets a mention at 65 Islington in 1850, moving to 40 in 1851. He disappears after about 1858.
There is a signature to the bottom left, anyone make it out?
James Granger seems to have been a Bookseller and gets a mention at 65 Islington in 1850, moving to 40 in 1851. He disappears after about 1858.
There is a signature to the bottom left, anyone make it out?
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Pub Historian
As I say, my knowledge of bus routes wouldn't fill the back of a tiny bus ticket stub but this is DEFINITELY WITHOUT QUESTION a photograph taken in St. Luke's Road.
Radiorails
master brummie
I think that all of us who persevered with this thread in the past came to the belief - if halfheartedly - that it was the Wycliffe Church and not Springhill Library. I had hoped that David Harvey may have made a comment (I did send a PM to him) as he might have more details being as the photo concerned was taken from his book.
Grea
master brummie
I think you actually have it. Very little doubt in my mind now
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Pub Historian
Grea, although the illustration posted by RobT is very nice, you could not be convinced by a drawing with all its artistic licence! I will post some pics with concrete evidence.
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Pub Historian
Although the large number of what I call picture/caption books are produced with the right spirit, many errors crop up. Sometimes the person who gathers the images together will rush it out, more or better evidence comes to light after publication, the author drifts from their area of expertise and comments on an element of an image without proper research, or any number of reasons. The caption books are not generally proof-read. The main problem these days is that the errors get replicated on websites and forums and this further entrenches the flaw and often reinvents the truth. In this case, I wouldn't be too harsh on David Harvey as, even after a lot of investigation, some folks still thought it was the Spring Hill Library.
RobT
Acemeccanoman
Engraving - Wycliffe Chapel, Birmingham
Wilkinson Collection, Vol I
Signature is for the Engraver: H Umfreville
I found the Engraving from the Birmingham Museums Trust, Birmingham Museums Art Gallery
There are several collections on there mostly public domain, including some fantastic shots of
Lancaster/Spitfire factory
brummy-lad
master brummie
Gosh, I have really stirred up a hornets nest with this, 27 posts in less than 24 hours. Having said that the fact that Rob posted the superb engraving of Wycliffe Chapel shows that eventually we will be rewarded with a solution to the query, hopefully.
Yes, it all comes down to the cascading windows, they appear to be a unique feature and it's amazing they have disappeared into oblivion.
Yes, it all comes down to the cascading windows, they appear to be a unique feature and it's amazing they have disappeared into oblivion.
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Pub Historian
Blimey, I have gone on record as saying this is DEFINITELY WITHOUT QUESTION a photograph taken in St. Luke's Road but the doubters are still doubting!!
Bob Davis
Bob Davis
This happened to me, I did a book of postcards of our village, being very careful only to name names when I knew it was right (verified on the postcard). In a picture of the station I had been told by a railway 'anorak' that the stock on the train was old LSWR and was stock that had been cascaded down from the London area to the west country after the 1923 railway reorganisation, which matched up with the date of the postcard. I received a letter advising me that what I had written was wrong, etc etc and that I should check my facts. I got my friend to send him the facts and we heard no more, although the book was proof read b an 'expert', just prior to publication I spotted three spelling mistakes in the final proof copy
Bob
Banjo
master brummie
I too was convinced it was St Luke's Rd last time this came up. Couldn't find a photo of the junction showing Baxter's anywhere. I did take this snapshot of a video of the last tram down Bristol Street into town hoping to get an image of that junction. As you can see, it shows part of the Sun pub and a couple of traffic lights but little else. The car with the cameraman actually overtook the tram right on that junction thus obscuring a better view than this.
www.midlandspubs.co.uk
Pub Historian
It was only this morning when I thought I would have a rummage into my stuff. To be honest, I am not sure what I have got at times! However, it turned out that I have a number of photographs of St. Luke's Road, mainly with an emphasis on public-houses of course. Anyway, I have, without doubt, solved this highly-engaging and long-running thread and I will now run through the points I raised this morning with the help of some images. Firstly, I have took the liberty of re-posting the original post at the top of the thread .....
The bus is going slightly downhill from the bus-stop. Here is another view of St. Luke's Road as it goes downhill towards the bend to connect with Belgrave Road .....
Next up, is the bus-stop looking from the junction of Bristol Street. Note the shelter is the same. Note also that the metal posts are in evidence and, furthermore, the cobbles in front of the bus-stop can be seen .....
Here are the keep-left signs on the junction of Bristol Street [which also featured traffic lights]. These were on the Sun Street side of the junction .....
The Baptist Chapel had eight pinnacles .....
The roofline of the Sunday School featured the two gables - one large, one small [almost dormer-like] ......
And finally, and here I feel a bit like Henry Fonda producing a switch-knife and sticking it in the table used by the "12 Angry Men," the building had three narrow windows with the stepped windows .....
Once again, my only sadness is that it will mean the end of this epic thread!!
The bus is going slightly downhill from the bus-stop. Here is another view of St. Luke's Road as it goes downhill towards the bend to connect with Belgrave Road .....
Next up, is the bus-stop looking from the junction of Bristol Street. Note the shelter is the same. Note also that the metal posts are in evidence and, furthermore, the cobbles in front of the bus-stop can be seen .....
Here are the keep-left signs on the junction of Bristol Street [which also featured traffic lights]. These were on the Sun Street side of the junction .....
The Baptist Chapel had eight pinnacles .....
The roofline of the Sunday School featured the two gables - one large, one small [almost dormer-like] ......
And finally, and here I feel a bit like Henry Fonda producing a switch-knife and sticking it in the table used by the "12 Angry Men," the building had three narrow windows with the stepped windows .....
Once again, my only sadness is that it will mean the end of this epic thread!!
brummy-lad
master brummie
Thank you so much, no doubt whatsoever in my mind all along and this is definitive proof. Have to concentrate on the aircraft mystery now or perhaps the car-park location that has just been posted.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I'm not doubting ...
I had 'homed' in on St Lukes Rd on Jan 25 2019 post#186 and marked a possible bus position on a map based on the info and the not so good photos we had at the time.
Now the Aircraft fuselage location is a challenge ... a local wedding photographer ... but is it Brum?
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