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Lahai-roi The Grange 42 Park Hill Moseley

Hi Sharon, thankyou so much for what you have done, I really appreciate it. I've been searching for records on the internet,
but there doesn't appear to be any.
Am hoping someone may read my post and be able to help.
Thankyou so much Sharon
Rosy
 
Hi Sharon
Have answered your blog but just in case this can help someone else I have also posted it here too. I believe that Miss Winifred Hellmuth was mentioned as working at the Mother and Baby home, Moseley.

The autobigraphy of Miss Winifred Hellmuth is now out of print but this is the name of the publishers and the ISBN number in case you can google it and come up with a second hand copy.

You could also try to e-mail the publisher and he may give you the contact details for the author J.G.Hinton who may have been related to Miss Hellmuth and could perhaps tell you something about the mother and baby home and the location of any records too.

Its worth a try, you dont get if you dont ask as the saying goes. Good Luck

Publishers Morleys Print & Publishing 1996

https://www.moorleys.co.uk/contact.php

The ISBN is 9780860714811
The author was J.G.Hinton

Louisa
 
Hi, Winifred, Her Story: Biography of Winifred Mary Hellmuth can be got from waterstones.com at £3.50 I do hope that this may be of help maggie62
 
Hi Maggie62 and Louisa
thank you both very much for this information, i shall try to sort it this week and hopefully get back on here with my findings . it would be wonderful to find out if any records have been kept. birmingham archives library's are very sketchy..nothing for 1955 - 59 to help me. many thanks...Sharon53
 
Hi all
My cousin fathered a child who was born at the Mother & Baby Home, Moseley in March 1965.
As his affair with the mother had ceased sometime prior to the birth and that during this time he had been advised that the mother had terminated the pregnancy, it came as a bolt out of the blue when, some eight years later, he was advised that the pregnancy had gone full term, that a baby girl had been born and that she had been adopted soon afterwards.
He discovered that, quite naturally, the mother had not included his name on the birth certificate so he has spent the last 40 years just wondering "what if......".
He registered his details with numerous official contact/adoption agencies etc but without success although he well understood all the many good reasons why nothing ever came of it.
The trials and tribulations of all who experienced the trauma of these institutions must be deeply sympathised with but, once in a while, a totally unexpected victim crops up making us realise that sadly the heartache can be far more widespread than expected.
Regards to all.
 
Lostsoul that is very sad especially as there could possibly be two people longing to meet each other. Others here may be able to give some advice on where to look.
 
Hi Wendy
Yes it's a heartache hard to come to terms with.
My cousin managed to obtain a copy of the birth certificate of his daughter but the fatal words "ADOPTED" were on it and that, as they say, was that.
Whilst there are numerous contact & enquiry agencies, etc etc it does seem a pity that some universal, FREE site cannot be established for persons wishing to contact each other & that simply requires you to enter a predetermined set of bullet points that are then filtered by a search engine that would throw up, if any, possible solutions.
Regards x
 
I don't know much on the subject but I have read posts which have said adopted children often had two birth certificates. There are people who will help but sometimes the adopted child chooses not to make contact.
 
hi i was wondering if any one was in the grange between the time march-nov(estimated)in 1970 i got told about the grange and is helping someone i love try and find young women who was there in that period of time has she is wondering how they are.
the lady i am enquiring for was one the lucky ones and left the grange to still keep her baby in which i am so glad.i got told how it was run and the young ladies had to do chores til the day they gave birth and they would ring a bell i think once for a girl n twice for a boy or vice versa
 
Hi,

Does anyone know if there are any records kept re babies born in this mother & baby home please?
If so, can i access them in some way please.
Many thanks
rosy
 
Hi
Try your local adoption council and exlpain to them. I am informed that the home's records were lost and or given to other homes and hospitals but I found mine after much trial ringing all these homes etc at my adoption council. They should have been sent there to whever your adopted parents lives and which court handles the adoption. If that makes sense.
Nico
 
NDB63 said:
Hi There,
I was born at The Grange , 42 Park Hill Moseley in 1963. Since, naturally, I was illegitemate, all the details have kind of been drip fed to me over the years. From putting the pieces together, I understood that my birth mother got 'caught' ran away, then was brought back to Birmingham to face up to her responsibilities. I was raised in the family by two great aunts and my great gran and my 'mother' was there in the background but having a fairly single life. I knew nothing of my origins until I was 16.Sounds incredible, but its true! Lorna, my birth mother told me the type of place I was born in and wove a story about how the place was run by Catholic nuns who were judgemental and cruel to the young unwed mothers there. She also told me that she had to perform chores until the birth of me. Sounded awful, especially hearing it for the first time at that age. She said that the babies there were up for adoption and went on to describe another pretty harsh scenario when that process took place. I have no idea how much of it was true and how much was fantasy, although any truth I could discover from someone who had been there in whatever capacity at the time would be most welcome. The story goes that my blood family decided to keep me which is how I came to be raised largely by my wonderful aunt. She gave me a fabulous chance in life and I buried her just a couple of years ago. Despite this one always hankers after more, strange eh? Going through Auntie's things, I found a 1963 diary and written in a sort of code was the address of The Grange, 42, Park Hill. It was quite a moving experience. She had written down the numbers and times of the three buses she had to catch from Dudley to visit. Its how I discovered the place. Whats even more poignant is that the first photograph of me is of Auntie holding me as a newborn baby. Clearly, that was taken in The Grange. When I located the place and pulled-up outside (who knows why?), I had the oddest feeling that I had been taken there as a small child. I am pretty certain.
So, I guess thats my story and what I would really appreciate is contact from anyone who could shed some more light on any of the above- was it a cruel and harsh place? Was it run by Catholic nuns? Would there have ben any reason to take me back there, possibly to show how secure and settled I had become- my birth mother took me, I am certain.Any information would be gratefully recieved. All the best, Nigel.
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Snap, Nigel. You should hopefully get your own records from where the, area court which predcided on your adoption where your parents were living. They should hold somthing. My BM hated Miss Helmuth but the nurses and sister were lovely. It was Anglican. It was called Lahai Roi before ot as the Grange. Miss Helmuth named it. Her Heart was in the right place I am sure but she was very pious and judgemental with Victorian values. Why don't you join up to the forum I would feel more comfortable talking to you that way on a private message. Any rode up, Lahai Roi comes from the bible and it means tears of the living well. A woman was cast out in to the desert after being raped and pregnant with another man's child. She was found by a prophet who claimed that her tears should form a well which should never dry up to reminf the world that it was she who was to blame. For her (so called) Sin. Even the bible was pious. I liked the sound of that though.
Good luck with your search.
Nico
 
I started this thread back in 2007 when a friend asked me if I could help her mother inlaw who lives in Birmingham.
I was reminded of it when I got a PM from Nico, thanks Nico.
Without finding the records and because the mothers name was unusual I was able to find the birth family,
I advised the lady to go slowly as the siblings may not know of their mothers past.
The birth mother had sadly died but she had told her children that she had given birth to a daughter, fathered by an American serviceman
and had her adopted, so they were aware she existed.
The siblings were eager to meet her which they did in a pub near Coventry ,where the family all lived,they got on well with her but in the end
the lady thought they had nothing in common coming from 2 different backgrounds so didn't meet up with them again.
 
Alberta said:
I started this thread back in 2007 when a friend asked me if I could help her mother inlaw who lives in Birmingham.
I was reminded of it when I got a PM from Nico, thanks Nico.
Without finding the records and because the mothers name was unusual I was able to find the birth family,
I advised the lady to go slowly as the siblings may not know of their mothers past.
The birth mother had sadly died but she had told her children that she had given birth to a daughter, fathered by an American serviceman
and had her adopted, so they were aware she existed.
The siblings were eager to meet her which they did in a pub near Coventry ,where the family all lived,they got on well with her but in the end
the lady thought they had nothing in common coming from 2 different backgrounds so didn't meet up with them again.
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Didn't realise the post was so old Alberta. I came across it whilst looking on Google and the link took me to the BHF site surprisingly.
Yes you have to go carefully as you could alienate everybody. I keep bumping in to people in the same boat as I was. I think it is more like an Ark! Norcap were very helpful to me as were the books by John Pickersgill - Looking for the Real Me, and Blue Eyed Son by Nicky Campbell, anyone affected by adoption from whatever angle can find solace in these.
Best Wishes
Nico
 
I was born in Moseley in 1952 (possibly the Sorrento Maternity Home) and adopted through the Church Of England. I vividly remember Sister Hellmuth coming to visit and my mother (adopted) always helping me to tidy up my toys.
 
sharon53 said:
Hi i know this is a thread dated 4 years ago..but wondered if you had found any info re..lahai - roi. mother and baby home. The home was not roman catholic.. it was run by Angican nuns.. and miss winifred hellmuth is stated on my adoption papers to identify me at court for my adoption.... there is a book at Birmingham City Archives Library written by her about the home... but im struggling to find any other information about the home and its records... they seem to have been distroyed.

Has anyone seen the book written by Miss Winifred Hellmuth that is in the Birmingham Library Archived. She also wrote her autobiograph, but i cant find that.!.. im going to see if i can upload some pics of the pages i photocopied at the library of her book
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I have got some info on the home I was there in 57. Nico
 
Reggie Hatcher said:
I was born in Moseley in 1952 (possibly the Sorrento Maternity Home) and adopted through the Church Of England. I vividly remember Sister Hellmuth coming to visit and my mother (adopted) always helping me to tidy up my toys.
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I wonder does anyone remember a Miss Young or a Miss Green in Miss Helmuth's time.Propbably nurses. Mrs Yaxley wife of the vicar of St Anne's may have been a friend of theirs as she upbraided the congregation for looking down on the so callefd fallen women, of the Lahai Roi.
My sister was born in Sorrento as was Carl Chinn off the radio. Are there any Raddlebarn babies out there? Nico:sneakiness:
 
I don't know if I am doing all this right ! I have recently found out I have a half brother on my Mothers side who was born in this Mother and baby home does anyone know what I can do to try and find him ? All my immediate family have long passed away so no one to ask any details, skeletons in the cupboard and all that !!!!

The only details I have is

Born 22.1.1947
Boy - Named Stephanie Butter (adopted)
Mother - Marjorie Butter

I am so desperate to find my half brother please if you can give me any guidance get in touch

Thank you, Jane
 
I was born there on 21 April 1952 and adopted via, I was led to believe, the Church of England - they may hold some records re your brother. Best of luck Reggie x
 
hello jane..can i suggest that you contact birmingham social services...if your half brother was adopted and they dealt with it then they will most definately have his records still on file and will act as as go between to link you up should he wish that to happen... which could take some time...i know this from personal experience within my family...at least its a starting point for you and good luck...

lyn
 
Charlie NW said:
I don't know if I am doing all this right ! I have recently found out I have a half brother on my Mothers side who was born in this Mother and baby home does anyone know what I can do to try and find him ? All my immediate family have long passed away so no one to ask any details, skeletons in the cupboard and all that !!!!

The only details I have is

Born 22.1.1947
Boy - Named Stephanie Butter (adopted)
Mother - Marjorie Butter

I am so desperate to find my half brother please if you can give me any guidance get in touch

Thank you, Jane
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Hello Jane,
Your local adoption service should be able to help you or the local social services. If the child's mother or her family are still about you might be gain information. When a birth certificate says adopted, the child will have either been legally adopted by its new parents or legally adopted by the man who becomes the husband of the child's mother should she subsequently marry.
Best Wishes
Nico
 
I came upon the Birth Adoption Register recently trying to help a friend and some of my own still unanswered questions. ukbirth-adoption register.com Also Norcap who helped me in my search should be able to guide you. Best Wishes, Nico.
 
Charlie NW said:
I don't know if I am doing all this right ! I have recently found out I have a half brother on my Mothers side who was born in this Mother and baby home does anyone know what I can do to try and find him ? All my immediate family have long passed away so no one to ask any details, skeletons in the cupboard and all that !!!!

The only details I have is

Born 22.1.1947
Boy - Named Stephanie Butter (adopted)
Mother - Marjorie Butter

I am so desperate to find my half brother please if you can give me any guidance get in touch

Thank you, Jane
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Wouldn't Stephanie be a Girl as opposed to a boy ?
 
I was born at lahai-roi in October 1953.

I have an adoption certificate with my adopted parents names and my adopted name, but also managed to get a copy of my original birth certificate, stating my birth mum was a 16 yr old unmarried mum, Jessie Fairbrother, from Leicester.

Adopted at 3 months old, all the paperwork is signed by Miss W Hellmuth

My birth mum would be 76/77 now, so its possible she could still be living.
When my adoptive parents died I did go thru a phase of loneliness and thought about looking for my birth mum (which is why I have copies of my adoption papers,) but after a couple of months I realised finding her could open a can of worms that neither of us really want opening.

The biggest problem I have is when seeing doctors; their first question is often, "is there a history of heart problems in the family" to which can only reply, "I have no idea".
It would be nice if there is a way of finding out a health history without going thru the full birth mother search.

Ian Sinclair
 
hello ian and welcome...it must have been very difficult for your birth mom...at the age of just 16 so very young...only you can decide if to search for her but on the subject of finding out about the health history i can only suggest that you contact the health authorities in leicester giving them the information that you have as they maybe able to help and advise...

all the best in whatever you decide to do

lyn
 
I don't think you will be able to get get any info of your birth families health issues as this will be data protected as I believe that, looking at records ,your mother later married and she is still living.

We cannot discuss this any more on this thread as we do not give out information about living persons.

I have tried to send you a private message but your profile does not allow messages, you can go to your profile and alter this.. Alberta
 
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I don't know if this topic is closed but you can try the UK Birth Adoption Register, or Gro Gov maybe you can pass this on Alberta. Norcap will definitely be abe to advise what is best. I have some pamphlets of the Lahoi Roi and Winifred helmuth too but I won't be around for a while. My can of worms is very intersting that I opened. Best Wishes. Nico
 
Hi Astoness,
Thank you for your reply.
I agree, whether by choice or forced upon her, it couldn't have been easy for my birth mum, especially when shipped 50 miles from home to a place with no friends and unfamiliar surroundings at such a tender age and stressful time.
Unmarried motherhood had such a stigma back in the 50's that I can fully understand why I might have been put up for adoption.

Ian
 
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