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Kingstanding Village

Vivienne14

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This view is listed by Birmingham Library as Kingstanding Village. The view shows Beech Tree Cottages on the left, just before the former Hare and Hounds pub (since demolished). Before the H&H, the earlier pub (The Greyhound) would have been part of the village.

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The following info, rescued from the perrybarrbeyond site (no longer available), tells us the following about Beech Tree Cottages in 1921 when they were all auctioned off in 3 lots.

It looks like there was once 14 cottages. As a separate lot, the Post Office was listed as a shop and had land attached. I expect some were demolished in the process of developing Kingstanding in the 1930s and the ones next to the PO in the 1960s photo would have been demolished maybe in the 1970s. I've extracted the auction info from the site:

Description from the Auction Sale Catalogue from the Perry Barr Estate, Birmingham 1921 Holly Lane, Erdington In the Parish of Perry Barr, in the County of Warwick, Staffordshire

BEECH TREE COTTAGES
A block of Seven Freehold Cottages With gardens, situate & known as 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, & 15. Brick built & tiled, each with 2 bedrooms, living room, scullery etc. Companys water to each. All let & producing gross total rent of £88. 8s. 0d per annum.

No 9 Mr George Hartle £13. 00. 00
No 10 Mr E Miles £13. 00. 00
No 11 Mr H W Compton £13. 00. 00
No 12 Mr A L Wells £11. 14. 00
No 13 Mrs Summer. £13. 00. 00
No 14 Mr A L Wells. £11. 14. 00
No 15 Mr Lawrence £13. 00. 00
Tithe Rent Charge 5 shillings per annum

BEECH TREE COTTAGES
A block of Six Freehold Cottages With gardens, situate and known as 2, 3, 5, 6, 7 & 8
Built of brick with tiled roofs. Nos: 2, 3 and 5 each contain: - four bedrooms, living room, kitchen, scullery etc. Nos 6 and 7 each contain: - two bedrooms, living rooms, scullery etc., and No 8 contains, 3 bedrooms, kitchen etc. Companys water to each. All let & producing a gross total rent of per £78. 0s 0d per annum

No 2 Mr M Carneye £13. 00. 00
No 3 Mr A L Well £11. 14. 00
No 5 Mr A L Wells £11. 14s. 00
No 6 Mr E Curtis £13 00. 00
No 7 Mr Clayton. £15. 12. 00
No 8 Mr J Curtiss. £13. 00 00
Tithe Rent Charge 5 shillings per annum

BEECH TREE COTTAGES
Known as No 4 Brick built and tiled. Three bedrooms, Attic, Small Shop, Sitting room, kitchen etc. Companys water. Included in this lot are the two excellent enclosures of Arable Lane in the rear, being Nos. 257 and 248 on plan, and having an area of nearly: FIVE AND A QUARTER ACRES Let to Mr. J Ryan on a yearly tenancy at a rent of £27. 10s 0d per annum, tenant paying rates. Tithe Rent Charge 4 shillings 5d per annum
 
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I grew up around here and would be interested in building a picture of the village, especially about the people listed in post #1. I'm interested in information before the large building development of the 1930s.

The village would have been on Holly Lane before it's renaming as Kingstanding Road. A map from mikejee, taken from the Hare and Hounds thread is below, village marked with blue dot:
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From previous discussions, I think the village smithy marked on the 1884 map moved further down Holly Lane/Kingstanding Road and later became Scott's Garage. A later map is below, but I'm unable to give a date for it (but possibly 1921 as sale lots for auction are shown - possibly as per post #1 auction details).
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1921 census
No 9 Mr George Hartle £13. 00. 00 lived with wife, a son and 2 daughters. He was a farm labourer for A Brown of Little Aston. One daughter a farm worker. The son an farm boy and the youngest at school.
No 10 Mr E Miles £13. 00. 00 Lived with wfe and 2 sons. He was a labourer empployed by BCC at Holford(?) Playing Fields. Children aged 2 year and less than one year.
No 11 Mr H W Compton £13. 00. 00
Lived with wife, 2 sons and a daughter. Labourer on a farm for Bernard Baines. Daughter out of work. One son a farm worker for John Ryan. Other son at school
No 12 Mr A L Wells £11. 14. 00
No 13 Mrs Summer. £13. 00. 00
No 14 Mr A L Wells. £11. 14. 00
No 15 Mr Lawrence £13. 00. 00
His wife is listed as a widow with one daughter. The daughter is an agricultural labour.


The other names are not listed on the census. None of the cottages are numbered just named as Beech Tree cottage
As Mr A L Wells appears numerouus time I suspect he owned the cottages rather than lived there.
 
1921 census
No 2 Mr M Carneye £13. 00. 00
No 3 Mr A L Well £11. 14. 00
Arthur Curtis, wife, 4 daughters and son-in-law. Farm lbourer.
No 5 Mr A L Wells £11. 14s. 00
Thomas Owen, wife, 2 sons, 3 daughters and father-in-law. Farm labourer. Children all school age
No 6 Mr E Curtis £13 00. 00
Lives with wife and a son and daughter. A farm labourer in Old Oscott. Choldren at school
No 7 Mr Clayton. £15. 12. 00
Lives with wife (+ visitor) He is a packing case maker.Wife is a french polisher
No 8 Mr J Curtiss. £13. 00 00
with wife and 3 sons, 2 daughters and a granddaughter. A farm labourer in nearby Holly Lane. Wife is a school cleaner. 2 sons are farm labourers. One daughter home dutes. Other daughter - looks like "stud maker" 1750155535648.png
 
Great, thanks Lyn. Judging by your photo there were at least 7(+) cottages still there in 1961. Only 4 original cottages now (including the PO) - pity.
 
Fifteen of the cottages still there in 1961. I don't remember them, but I didn't take much notice of buildings, especially old ones, when I was younger living there. But I do remember the PO because I used to go in there to buy magazines.

I expected there to be farm workers occupying the cottages. But as Janice points out that Mr Wells might have been the owner of some, I wonder if he was a local farmer ? Perhaps the cottages were originally tied to a particular farm.
 
The newer flats/maisonettes in Lyn's link post #9 are sited alongside Rushden Croft. Wonder if this name means anything in the history of the 'village' as there's a track or lane on both of Janice's maps (post #8) leading alongside #457 and to the rear of the old cottages. This lane must have become Rushden Croft. Maybe Rushden Croft was an earlier field name belonging to Rushden ? Could the cottages be connected to the Warren Farm farm estate ?
 
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On the 1921 census the farm workers seemed to work for various different farms.
There was one family not listed in post #1.
Frederick Finchen with wife and plusva son and daughter. Also lists a daughter and son in law plus their children but all crossed out so I suspect they don't live there. Frederick is a farm worker but his employer is A L Wells of Warren Farm.
 
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for those that do not know kingstanding road is on the line of the old roman road of icknield st that runs through to sutton park ImageUploadedByTapatalk1327251574.109637.jpg
 
Fifteen of the cottages still there in 1961. I don't remember them, but I didn't take much notice of buildings, especially old ones, when I was younger living there. But I do remember the PO because I used to go in there to buy magazines.

I expected there to be farm workers occupying the cottages. But as Janice points out that Mr Wells might have been the owner of some, I wonder if he was a local farmer ? Perhaps the cottages were originally tied to a particular farm.
The 1921 Kellys lists:
Wells Augustine Lewis, farmer, Warren farm, Holly Lane,Erdington.- T N 5 East
 
Suddenly I'm back on my own patch, Rodwell Grove is off Tansley Road isn't it? Just along from the back entrance to Cranbourne Road School.
Now why do I remember that? :)
 
Warren and Pool(e) farms were merged (probably c1921) and became a mixed farm of 308 acres. Warren Farm house was a substantial house, and would have played a significant part in the lives of residents of Kingstanding Village, providing employment and housing.

Augustine Lewis Wells of Warren Farm is described in the press as a farmer (potatoes) and outstanding public figure. His impact was recognised not only in the local area but beyond that too. See press cuttings below. (Source: British Newspaper Archive).

By the 1930s, the livelihoods of those living in Beech Cottages and employed on Warren/Pool(e) Farms would have disappeared as the new housing estates swallowed up the farmland which gave them jobs.
 

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In 1847, Warren Farm was known as Rabbit Warren Farm because of its management of rabbit farming. Maybe Beech Tree Cottages were built by this time, although I'd expect more workers cottages would only be needed once the farm work became more labour intensive. How labour intensive would rabbit farming have been ?

More about Warren Farm is here
 
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I can't see Beech Tree Cottages or the Greyhound Inn on this map of 1834, so they must have been built after that date.

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The cottages seem to have been numbered 437 to 456.
The 1939 register shows that common jobs were now as a labourer. Several builder's labourer, general labourer, gardener, with only a couple involved elsewhere
 
We have validation from a BHF member related to Augustine Lewis Wells (sometimes known as Augustus or Austin) about Beech Tree Cottages and Pool(e) Farm Cottages.The member is Ex StaffMember'(Maggies) who has confirmed the following information about Beech Tree Cottages and Pool(e) Cottages and theiir connection to the Wells family.

Augustine owned some of the Beech Tree Cottages (on Holly Lane), Pool(e) Farm Cottages (in modern-day Rodwell Grove), Pool(e) Farm and Warren Farm.

Beech Tree Cottages
A few of the Beech Tree Cottages (probably 4 in total) were leased by Augustine Lewis Wells for his farm workers. Augustine, farmer, owned Warren Farm from the 1880s until 1934

Lodge Pool, Pool (Farm) Cottages
Near to Lodge Pool was Pool(e) Farm and its farm cottages (cottages still standing in Rodwell Grove). Augustine's nephew Thomas, his wife Louisa and sons George and Philip (later a daughter) lived at No. 2 Pool Cottage.

Charles, Thomas's brother was also living there in 1881

Warren Farm
Augustine owned Warren Farm from the 1880s until 1934
Both Thomas and Charles were bailiffs to Warren Farm.

The interesting Wells family history and their connection with farming in the Kingstanding and surrounding areas is documented by member Ex StaffMember'(Maggies) - Ron Wells - in the Pool(e) Farm Cottages thread here:


Another BHF member, Glennys Jean, with connections to the Wells and Foden family is also identified in that thread.
 
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The Hare and Hounds is included in a list of 'model inns' in the sense of relocated public-houses and discouraging excessive drinking in the 1930s. In this press cutting its said to have been located 'to an adjoining site' - in fact it can only have been feet away from the original Greyhound pub !

Were any of these people our farm labourers from Beech Tree Cottages ? Or even Pool(e) Farm Cottages ? A high chance some were.

A photo of the pre-1930s Hare and Hounds.

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Source: British Newspaper Archive

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These two adverts for the letting of Warren Farm in the 1870s (before Augustine Lewis Wells owned the farm) show that there were labourers' cottages attached to the letting of the farm. These are likely to have been Beech Tree Cottages, but they may have included Pool(e) Farm Cottages, too.

The adverts tell us that the farmland managed by John Short until 1876, included pasture land - for grazing livestock (likely sheep), meadow land for feeding livestock, and arable land for crops (turnips and barley). Given the varied land use, and that at this time, the farm workers would likely have worked mostly for Warren Farm, the skills of those farm workers in the cottages must have been quite a mixture. Raising crops and raising animals require very different skills.

As Janice points out in post #24, only a matter of 40 - 50 years later, agriculturally, so much was changing in the area, with Beech Tree Cottage residents working at a number of local farms or moving into other occupations. I wonder who originally built the cottages (presumably commissioned by Warren/Lodge Farm). Also, when they were built, I assume only Warren Farm/Pool(e)/Lodge Farm workers were able to live in the cottages.
 

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