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I beleive copyright doesn't cease with the photographers (or artist's) demise, but carries on 70 years after their death. Eric
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Key Hill chapel before demolition
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Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Copyright on photos is a complicated issue and I have no argument with that and I never knowingly breach copyright laws. Its just that there seem to be a lot of photos out there by unknown photographers that people are claiming copyright to. How is this possible, how do you take ownership of something when you don't know who the owner is?
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Wendy
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Here are a couple of photo's the one taken inside the Chapel was given to me given a few years ago sorry if it's copyright. I also have the inscriptions from the tablets around the walls of the Chapel......it would be nice to know what happened to them.
The second photo is an early stereo photo which I own. I have no problem in people using it as long as any profit goes to the cemetery.
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The second photo is an early stereo photo which I own. I have no problem in people using it as long as any profit goes to the cemetery.
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Wendy
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If I remember right the mural tablets came originally from The Old Cannon Street Meeting House. They commemorated the various pastors and preachers of the Chapel. They were removed before the meeting house was demolished. I don't know if they still survive after the demolition of Key Hill chapel.
Key Hill Brian
Proud Brummie
Slightly off thread - for those who walk oe cycle on canal towpaths, you often get rows of bricks part way up the slops by Locks or small bridges over side arms of the canal - Bit os a nuisance on yer bike, but handy if walking or if you're a 'orse!
You also get them by the lock gates - very handy when you pushing the open or shut - to get a grip against!
You also get them by the lock gates - very handy when you pushing the open or shut - to get a grip against!
DJRVST
master brummie
Wendy Do you know when the last photo was taken it looks in the foreground like the vicinity where our ancestors are now neighbours? I remember the Chapel/Temple as being an offwhite colour maybe creamish in the 50's---if my memory is correct. Carrying lead lined coffins was a hazard I remember the poor chap at the head end of my grandads coffin slipping and nearly going down as they went up a side path from the route up to th Chapel site---would of been the end of that poor chap had they lost it altogether!!! Regards David
Here are a couple of photo's the one taken inside the Chapel was given to me given a few years ago sorry if it's copyright. I also have the inscriptions from the tablets around the walls of the Chapel......it would be nice to know what happened to them.
The second photo is an early stereo photo which I own. I have no problem in people using it as long as any profit goes to the cemetery.
David, I'd be interested to know if you can remember whether there were lines of raised bricks in the pathway, I mentioned them in post #11 and started a bit of a debate! Regards, Mohawk.
Indeed, Brian. There are several examples on the canals in Stourbridge. (I don't think you're much off-thread, if at all, just re-enforcing the point I was making.) Regards, Mohawk.
Here are a couple of photo's the one taken inside the Chapel was given to me given a few years ago sorry if it's copyright. I also have the inscriptions from the tablets around the walls of the Chapel......it would be nice to know what happened to them.
The second photo is an early stereo photo which I own. I have no problem in people using it as long as any profit goes to the cemetery.
Thanks for the pics, Wendy. I had never seen the inside. I notice that the seating is at right-angles to the lectern, can't help wondering why (I never can). Perhaps everyone who attended a service there left with a pain in the neck.
Regards, Mohawk.
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Wendy
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Hello David I don't know the date of the photo it's a very old stereo photo on card. Looking at the trees I suppose around 1860. It's difficult as some of the ground was taken in the 1980's for the Metro. I have tried to see if "our" graves are there but it's difficult to see. My two graves were either side of the very visible path which is no longer there. I would be interested in your thoughts.
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Wendy
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Mohawk, I always wondered why the seating was this way too. I wonder if David remembers what it was like inside.
Shortie
master brummie
That photo is of the new modernised chapel - it was 'modernised' around the early 1900's. There is another photo in the same collection as this one, showing the chapel as it was prior to redecoration and the new seating, showing the old Georgian box pews. It also shows what I take to be some kind of heater.
The chapel at Handsworth Cemetery, which is marvellous, still has seating that way, facing the aisle.
Shortie
The chapel at Handsworth Cemetery, which is marvellous, still has seating that way, facing the aisle.
Shortie
DJRVST
master brummie
Mohawk
Wendy
I have no recollection of a cobbled pathway but do remember at the rear of the Chapel there was some form of office or rooms. I visited almost every Saturday during the 50’s up to about 1958 and thereafter only every few months until about 1961. Then not again until early in the 70’s and in recent years once. I think the pathway was gravel or a ‘firmish’ surface such as compacted cinders in the 50’s and after however I may have not really noticed as my attention was elsewhere. I hope that sort of helps!!! I only ever entered by the Icknield Street gate (until my last visit when I came in via Key Hill in April 2008 when Wendy and Michael came to my rescue). One of my tasks was to take the old flowers to a waste basket and bring water back from the tap—these were found near the main pathway. I will ask around in the family if anyone remembers differently about the surface. The pews did face inward not unusual if you think that the deceased was then the focus of direct attention and respect---very Victorian in approach. I was told about this in the late 50’s, I think Handsworth is the same but can’t remember about Witton. As a child I remember that the cemetery was a quite mysterious and did wonder up to the catacombs a couple of times. I was always worried by the railway arches and was careful not to go too near—I remember gravestones leaning against the walls inside the arches. I never attended a funeral service in the Chapel only at the graveside but was told about the pews in the 60’s. Now for the quick story: -I do however have a strange but distinct memory (from the very early 50’s as a young child of 6 or 7) of attending a service in the chapel. The short version is:-At this “service” the pews did face inward and the internment later took place near the railway arches, people were dressed in black but the form of dress was old-long dresses and types of frock coats. The internment was in a grave lined with bricks into a large hollow near the railway side. This was not the first “internment” in the grave. To this day I remember lots of detail. Yes a likely story and no I’m not a Jacobs’s cheese biscuit!!!And no doubt it was really a dream as a child- but not one I was afraid of. I was never told I had attended a funeral at that age or place and I certainly would have had no family need to! It still seems real to me but does not rationalise as true as an adult. David
Wendy
I have no recollection of a cobbled pathway but do remember at the rear of the Chapel there was some form of office or rooms. I visited almost every Saturday during the 50’s up to about 1958 and thereafter only every few months until about 1961. Then not again until early in the 70’s and in recent years once. I think the pathway was gravel or a ‘firmish’ surface such as compacted cinders in the 50’s and after however I may have not really noticed as my attention was elsewhere. I hope that sort of helps!!! I only ever entered by the Icknield Street gate (until my last visit when I came in via Key Hill in April 2008 when Wendy and Michael came to my rescue). One of my tasks was to take the old flowers to a waste basket and bring water back from the tap—these were found near the main pathway. I will ask around in the family if anyone remembers differently about the surface. The pews did face inward not unusual if you think that the deceased was then the focus of direct attention and respect---very Victorian in approach. I was told about this in the late 50’s, I think Handsworth is the same but can’t remember about Witton. As a child I remember that the cemetery was a quite mysterious and did wonder up to the catacombs a couple of times. I was always worried by the railway arches and was careful not to go too near—I remember gravestones leaning against the walls inside the arches. I never attended a funeral service in the Chapel only at the graveside but was told about the pews in the 60’s. Now for the quick story: -I do however have a strange but distinct memory (from the very early 50’s as a young child of 6 or 7) of attending a service in the chapel. The short version is:-At this “service” the pews did face inward and the internment later took place near the railway arches, people were dressed in black but the form of dress was old-long dresses and types of frock coats. The internment was in a grave lined with bricks into a large hollow near the railway side. This was not the first “internment” in the grave. To this day I remember lots of detail. Yes a likely story and no I’m not a Jacobs’s cheese biscuit!!!And no doubt it was really a dream as a child- but not one I was afraid of. I was never told I had attended a funeral at that age or place and I certainly would have had no family need to! It still seems real to me but does not rationalise as true as an adult. David
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Wendy
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What a fantastic post David thank you for sharing your memories of the Chapel. I am quite envious as you remember it. Perhaps we were mean't to meet at the cemetery! It was certainly a strange coincidence that we should meet and then discover our family graves were next to each other.
We would love to hear any more info you have. Thanks for posting your experiences.
We would love to hear any more info you have. Thanks for posting your experiences.
Thanks, David.
Maybe I'll never figure out the cobblestone thing, but there we are.
Your recollections are interesting and what you say about the seating layout makes perfect sense, given Victorian attitudes. I guess it was a case of focus on the deceased and listen to the preacher, there being no real need to look at the latter.
I recall reading, around 1977/8, that the catacombs had been broken into. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be in there after dark!
I found the latter part of your post fascinating.
Regards, Mohawk.
Maybe I'll never figure out the cobblestone thing, but there we are.
Your recollections are interesting and what you say about the seating layout makes perfect sense, given Victorian attitudes. I guess it was a case of focus on the deceased and listen to the preacher, there being no real need to look at the latter.
I recall reading, around 1977/8, that the catacombs had been broken into. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be in there after dark!
I found the latter part of your post fascinating.
Regards, Mohawk.