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seeking info re; a boat builder named Joseph Cottrell in Birmingham from 1851- 1881. reference addresses are sheepcote strett.
Any info helpful
Marg T
Any info helpful
Marg T
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Hi
just been having a look on some of the older posts and found yours.
Do you have further info on him, where he was born, who his parents were.
Shepcote street still survives today, if you get up a map its on the canal. So i believe your man built canal boats.
Id love to help with your rsearch if you can just give me a bit more info.
Adele
just been having a look on some of the older posts and found yours.
Do you have further info on him, where he was born, who his parents were.
Shepcote street still survives today, if you get up a map its on the canal. So i believe your man built canal boats.
Id love to help with your rsearch if you can just give me a bit more info.
Adele
Alf
Gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
You Could look here
https://www.fastbrowsersearch.com/r...=18&tid={E7643728-4BC4-456e-8377-A85F0CBEB7D4}
https://www.fastbrowsersearch.com/r...=18&tid={E7643728-4BC4-456e-8377-A85F0CBEB7D4}
Hi Marge
I don’t remember seeing this post before. Thanks to Adele for bringing it forward.
The following information from directories may be of interest:
1845 – No mention
1849
Cotterell Joseph, boat builder; house, 25,Sheepcote street
Cotterell and Large, boat builders, Sheepcote street
1855-1862
Cotterell Joseph, boat & barge builder, Sheepcote street dock, Islington
The area called sheepcote St dock (also incorporating no 25 sheepcote st) is that marked Oozells St dock on the 1890 map at https://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.aspx?compid=55193&sheetid=10089&ox=4222&oy=1832&zm=1&czm=1&x=311&y=136 .
1868- 1884 He is named here variously as Joseph Cotterill or Cotterell
Cotterill Joseph boatbuilder, dock, Icknield Park road
(In 1873 his home is given as 11 Linden terrace, Icknield street West)
1888 – no listing
mike
I don’t remember seeing this post before. Thanks to Adele for bringing it forward.
The following information from directories may be of interest:
1845 – No mention
1849
Cotterell Joseph, boat builder; house, 25,Sheepcote street
Cotterell and Large, boat builders, Sheepcote street
1855-1862
Cotterell Joseph, boat & barge builder, Sheepcote street dock, Islington
The area called sheepcote St dock (also incorporating no 25 sheepcote st) is that marked Oozells St dock on the 1890 map at https://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.aspx?compid=55193&sheetid=10089&ox=4222&oy=1832&zm=1&czm=1&x=311&y=136 .
1868- 1884 He is named here variously as Joseph Cotterill or Cotterell
Cotterill Joseph boatbuilder, dock, Icknield Park road
(In 1873 his home is given as 11 Linden terrace, Icknield street West)
1888 – no listing
mike
bren
master brummie
1851 Census, how come we all missed this one :dft005:
Name:Joseph Cotterill
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Jane
Gender:Male
Where born:Norton in Marsh, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:Christ Church
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street Address: 25 Sheepcote St Dock
Occupation: Boat Builder Master
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel:3
Household schedule number:129
Household Members:NameAge
Joseph Cotterill30
Jane Cotterill32 Gloucestershire
Silas Cotterill8 Nottingham
Edwin Cotterill6 This is crossed out on original
Edna Cotterill6 Oxfordshire
Ellen Cotterill4 Birmingham
William Cotterill32 Brother, Glos'
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Name:Joseph Cotterill
Age:30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Jane
Gender:Male
Where born:Norton in Marsh, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:Christ Church
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street Address: 25 Sheepcote St Dock
Occupation: Boat Builder Master
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel:3
Household schedule number:129
Household Members:NameAge
Joseph Cotterill30
Jane Cotterill32 Gloucestershire
Silas Cotterill8 Nottingham
Edwin Cotterill6 This is crossed out on original
Edna Cotterill6 Oxfordshire
Ellen Cotterill4 Birmingham
William Cotterill32 Brother, Glos'
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titch24tch24
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Hi Adele
It would be greta tyo get as much help as possible as I've drawn a bland.
Joseph Cottrell b abt 1821 Moreon in Marsh Gloucestershire marr Jane Edwards . These are my G.g gr-parents thru daughter Ellen Cottrell. joseph marr Jane 1840, Banbury, held boat business till 1881, then Joseph , a widower, married Elizabeth Cottrell. I wish to confirm these details and add if possible. Were they famous ?etc
Any help greatfully appreciated
Marg
It would be greta tyo get as much help as possible as I've drawn a bland.
Joseph Cottrell b abt 1821 Moreon in Marsh Gloucestershire marr Jane Edwards . These are my G.g gr-parents thru daughter Ellen Cottrell. joseph marr Jane 1840, Banbury, held boat business till 1881, then Joseph , a widower, married Elizabeth Cottrell. I wish to confirm these details and add if possible. Were they famous ?etc
Any help greatfully appreciated
Marg
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titch24tch24
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Thanks Mike this confirms a few details
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titch24tch24
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Can anyone recommend books which might have photos of the Birmingham Boat Building area of 1850 or historacl books which I could purchase from australia
Marg
Marg
Hi Marg
well youve had a bit of exbert help from some people haha, im sure someone will come up with photos from somewhere.
Sadly i never know where to look for such information, thats why i joined the forum so i can also get help.
Will look up the census to see if i can get any info.
As i mentioned before Shepcote Street is still there, that part of Birmingham has been rebuilt over the last few years but maybe some one could get a photo for you.
Adele
well youve had a bit of exbert help from some people haha, im sure someone will come up with photos from somewhere.
Sadly i never know where to look for such information, thats why i joined the forum so i can also get help.
Will look up the census to see if i can get any info.
As i mentioned before Shepcote Street is still there, that part of Birmingham has been rebuilt over the last few years but maybe some one could get a photo for you.
Adele
bren
master brummie
I did a search of the 1861 Census with no luck, tried a manual search for 23 Sheepcote St with no luck but not surprised, this area must have been an enumerators nightmare, a rabbit warren packed in like sardines with addresses like - court b of court b of yard b of passage and then coming out onto an entirely different street. They could have been there but he could have easily missed them. Found the marriage --
Joseph Cotterill/Jane Edwards 3rd qtr 1840 Banbury 16 33
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Joseph Cotterill/Jane Edwards 3rd qtr 1840 Banbury 16 33
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bren
master brummie
In 1871 he was already re-married --
Name:Joseph Cotterell
Age:50
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth
Gender:Male
Where born:Norton in Marsh, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel:34
Household schedule number:168
Household Members:NameAge
Joseph Cotterell50 Boat Builder
Elizabeth Cotterell50 Kidderminster
Ellen Cotterell24 Banbury
Edward H Cotterell20 Birmingham
11 Linden Terrace, Icknield St West
Possible death reg - Jane Cotterill 1st qtr 1863 Banbury 3a 475
Found this also --
Joseph Cotterill/Elizabeth Evans 3rd qtr 1863 Tamworth 6b 460
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Name:Joseph Cotterell
Age:50
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Elizabeth
Gender:Male
Where born:Norton in Marsh, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:St John
Town:Birmingham
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel:34
Household schedule number:168
Household Members:NameAge
Joseph Cotterell50 Boat Builder
Elizabeth Cotterell50 Kidderminster
Ellen Cotterell24 Banbury
Edward H Cotterell20 Birmingham
11 Linden Terrace, Icknield St West
Possible death reg - Jane Cotterill 1st qtr 1863 Banbury 3a 475
Found this also --
Joseph Cotterill/Elizabeth Evans 3rd qtr 1863 Tamworth 6b 460
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bren
master brummie
Could this be Ellen in 1861 --
Name:Ellen Cattrell
Age:14
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847
Relation: Niece
Gender:Female
Where born:Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street Address: 3 back of 35, Oozle St North
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel:2
Household schedule number:139
Household Members:NameAge
Willm Malsbury58 Northamptonshire. Baker
Emma Malsbury61 Bissley, Gloucestershire
Ann Malsbury22 Banbury
Ellen Malsbury21 Banbury
Ellen Cattrell14
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Name:Ellen Cattrell
Age:14
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1847
Relation: Niece
Gender:Female
Where born:Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish:Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street Address: 3 back of 35, Oozle St North
Registration district:Birmingham
Sub-registration district:Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel:2
Household schedule number:139
Household Members:NameAge
Willm Malsbury58 Northamptonshire. Baker
Emma Malsbury61 Bissley, Gloucestershire
Ann Malsbury22 Banbury
Ellen Malsbury21 Banbury
Ellen Cattrell14
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Di.Poppitt
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
In 1841 my 3 x gt grandfather lived in Sheepcote Street, occupation Boat Builder. I would think that although there is no mention of Joseph Cotterell in the directories, there was a boat building business close by as there are other men shown as boat builders and living in Sheepcote Street. My grandfather was a greengrocer in 1851, his wife ran the business after he was run over by a horse and cart.
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bren
master brummie
Extracted record from IGI --
JOSEPH COTTERELL
Christening: 27 MAY 1821 Moreton In Marsh, Gloucester, England
Parents: Father:
JOHN COTTERELL
Mother:
MARTHA
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: -----Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C030304 -- 1748 - 1875 0991297 .------Film .----6911769 .-----Film
Sheet: 00
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JOSEPH COTTERELL
Christening: 27 MAY 1821 Moreton In Marsh, Gloucester, England
Parents: Father:
JOHN COTTERELL
Mother:
MARTHA
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: -----Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C030304 -- 1748 - 1875 0991297 .------Film .----6911769 .-----Film
Sheet: 00
bren
Di Poppit
I’m sure you are right about there being boatbuilding businesses nearby. The 1841 directory lists:
BOAT BUILDERS.
Bamford Hannah, Worcester wharf
Booth John, Ladywood dock
Brettall Benjamin, Ladywood dock
Lovekin Richard, Ladywood.
None of these however seem to be at Sheepcote street dock (or Oozells wharf as it was later called) . It is very possible that this wharf at that time was still being constructed. The attached map shows the area supposedly in 1839 with the area that would become the dock on the right hand side of the road as gardens. The date is undoubtably slightly wrong as it gives Sheepcote street as being crown st/ nelson st, but does presumably indicate that the wharf/dock on the right of the road was built fairly soon before 1841.
mike
I’m sure you are right about there being boatbuilding businesses nearby. The 1841 directory lists:
BOAT BUILDERS.
Bamford Hannah, Worcester wharf
Booth John, Ladywood dock
Brettall Benjamin, Ladywood dock
Lovekin Richard, Ladywood.
None of these however seem to be at Sheepcote street dock (or Oozells wharf as it was later called) . It is very possible that this wharf at that time was still being constructed. The attached map shows the area supposedly in 1839 with the area that would become the dock on the right hand side of the road as gardens. The date is undoubtably slightly wrong as it gives Sheepcote street as being crown st/ nelson st, but does presumably indicate that the wharf/dock on the right of the road was built fairly soon before 1841.
mike
Several years later, but if anyone is still watching... I too have an ancestor who was a boat builder who was born in Bridgnorth, was living in Birmingham in 1826, but was married in Tewkesbury, had a boat building business in Tewkesbury, moved to Worcester circa 1836 and died in Worcester in 1842. Does anyone know of any sources where I could try to find out where he was in Birmingham? His life there was pre census data.