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JELFs of Worcestershire and Birmingham

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I've read the threads by Astonian on the JELF family with interest. I'm descended from the JELFs of Wichenford/Hartlebury. I've got back to a William JELF who married Sarah JONES on 4th August 1793 at Hartlebury.

The Maria and Samuel mentioned in the different threads are 'mine'.

I was wondering if anything had been properly firmed up with the George William and Mary Ann connections to Worcester?
 
hello there how are you emf.
i have just picked up on your thread with gtreat delight ,infact i am estatic
that there is still somone from the jelfs about
i have it from first hand that william was born to mariia in wichenford
there was relatives in hartlebury at one time [ incidently i live in hartlebury myself] today i,ve been there afew years now ]
before i start waffling off emf . can i asked you what member of jelf you are coming from , i am hoping to move shortly to the old village of cow honeybourne myself , where they are the sibbling in the village
whom where the older generation of the village still recall them
the village i live in in hartlebury is about twenty miles away and wichenford is about 5miles away
i do have is will and papers in my possession including his will and etc
and mary ann,s as well and of ivy his daughter and photo graghs of the old b,ham residentd called ivydene which he brought from honeybourne
emdf i do have alot of info;;

but can you please tell me whom was your father or mother
I AM INTOUCH WITH ONE OF THE SIBBLING WHOM HIS A BIG NOISE COUNCILLOR UP IN OXFORD , BUT ANY WAY I LOOK FOREWARDED TO RECIEVING YOUR REPLY
BEST WISHES ASTONIAN ;;;;
 
Hello Astonian, and thanks for replying. I'm well and hope you are too. I'm descended from the JELFs through my father's mother's father.

William JELF who married Sarah JONES in 1793 is my GGGG Grandfather. He had 8 children that I know of. One of his daughters, Sarah, christened in 1800 in Hartlebury, was my GGG Grandmother. She married a PAYNE. The PAYNE's daughter married a JONES and, in turn, one of the JONES' daughters married a COX which is my maiden name.

In the 1841 census, William was a farmer in Claines. He had another daughter, Maria, (christened 1803 at Hartlebury) who married Henry PRICE. Maria and Henry farmed Peg House Farm near Wichenford. Maria is also shown as a Toll Collector at Wichenford in 1851 census. They don't appear to have had any children.

The Maria that was shown in the census in the earlier posts, staying with the DANIELs etc. in 1861 is the daughter of Samuel JELF, who was c. 21st June 1807 at Hartlebury. Samuel's father was my GGGG Grandfather, William. Samuel was a farmer and dealer in fruit at Peg House Lodge, Wichenford. The family she is staying with at the time are my direct forebears.

The PAYNEs, JONES's and JELFs seem to intermarry quite a bit!

Does any of this tie in with the info you have?

EMF
 
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me RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability Samuel JELF Head M Male 46 Wichenford, Worcester, England Farmer Of 28 Acres & Shopkeeper Esther JELF Wife M Female 40 Martley, Worcester, England Farmers Wife Samuel JELF Son U Male 17 Dudstone, Warwick, England Farmers Son Sarah JELF Daur Female 16 Wichenford, Worcester, England Farmers Daughter Esther JELF Daur Female 14 Wichenford, Worcester, England Scholar Eliza JELF Daur Female 11 Wichenford, Worcester, England Scholar William JELF Son Male 10 Wichenford, Worcester, England Scholar George JELF Son Male 8 Wichenford, Worcester, England Scholar James JELF Son Male 7 Wichenford, Worcester, England Scholar
any good?
 
jelfs

hi emf
how are you fine i hope have you made any progress on the jelfs
i spent quite afew hours in the worcester libary yesterday
going through the records of bretfordan
and it was quite amazeing and confusion has to what went on with in
the jelfs family they certainly did into family marriages
and to what i can see that most of them got married in st lennords
parish church in bretonford , i shall be driving into wichamam
and honeybouurne tomorrow and speak with
some of the old people whom are the orinal natives
there his a lady by the name of mrs gogins ,whom has got
her memory to a t; i,m told she,s on the board
some of the things knmt 123 as told you his what i already knew
which i got from worc ,
i certainly have leart alot and the jig saw i am doing is starting to
fall into place
i don,t know whether you read sometime that i said they was a
close lipped family ,but it is true
i received a letter from a person in brum about two years ago
from a lady ,asking me what my intrest in the family
she signed her name as edwards with an address ,
but yesterday the name of edwards appeared in the records
which states she married a jelf
incidently i don,t know if you know all the jelfs are burried in b,ham
there is george jelf senior , and george jelf senior, and junior jelf
[ no i,m not mislead my print ]
george senior s , son the other george senior, whom was his first
son , died before his father , and his son whom is in his ninety,s
alive and kicking and lives in weoly castle b,ham ,today
i live in hartlebury myself in the village ,
and i was in the village of cow honey bourne last week
because i am trying to move into the village ,
because everybody recalls all the jelfs and my mother still today
its very qaint quite village nothink as change in all the years
so now i will be writing back to this person ,now i know whom she
his i have one or more peices to the jigsaw to put together
and then i can tell you more
i will try and em some info of whaT I HAVE GOT on paper soon
speak to you soon ,
 
rosalin gibot

hi kmt123
just read your thread on rosalin giblot
and there is a connection ,
i, m just about to set to bretfordan from my home in hartlebury
20 min .drive from my village
its getting very intrested now ,
i seen her name on a documents that i have
and what you tell me all adds up
thanks my friend ,
i will come back to you soon ,
best wishes astonian ,;;
 
jelfs

evening all, i have been reading your posts with interest. i have an aunt who is named jelf, she was married to a norman jelf (now deceased) who on occasions mentioned his brother ernie who it seemed ran a cafe in aston. norman himself worked at little bromwich hospital now heartlands hospital. i remember they lived somewhere in aston and moved to chelmsley wood when it was first built. my aunt, magaret jelf has since moved to solihull. am i on the right road to finding out more about them.
 
jelfs of worc and b,ham

hi stshep.
just been reading your thread on jelfs and you mentioned norman jelf
coulld you please enlighten me to whom was normans father was please.?
as norman was my mothers cousin and a very close cousin when they was young i believe i have met your aunty margret many years ago ,
or should i say was pointed out to me at a funeral
i sincerely look forewarded to hearing your reply on the thread
have a nice day stshep
 
jelfs

hello astonian, i will find out normans fathers name for you, i usually see margaret once a month. the funeral you mentioned, could it of been normans? it was held in kings heath in 1995.

take care
 
jelfs of worcand b,ham

hi stshep
on your previous thread you said norman was ernies brother ,
well thats not the case but i am certainly looking forewarded
to you in you seeing margret ,and letting us know whom was normans father
normanwas my mothers first cousin and i believe they was very close when they was young as she often used to talk about norman
and she did say many times that he worked at the hospital for years
when you speak to margret , please tell her that my mother
was the only child born to ernie and bertha ,her name was
joyce ,ivy beatrice jelf at new cannal street digbeth where they lived
i am in contact with two other cousins of the jelfs ,incidently i am
ernie,s grandson as you are apparently aware
the two other cousins i am in contact with are raymond ,[bills son]
and georgie jelf , george s son ,
raymond his living in oxford , and george lives in weoly castle ,b,ham
and i live in hartlebury worc
a couple of years ago george wrote and told me about norman
passing away because i was hoping to speak to norman
did margret ever go to ivy,s funeral in 1983 ?
and could yo asked margret does she know anythink about a dennis jelf
whom lived in the washwood heath rd in the 1970,s
i believe he was one of arthurs off spring s as i would certainly
like to trace any way stshep i will hang up now ,until i hear from you again
but i certainly can fill you in on the whole back ground of the jelfs
from way back to the roots of the jelfs and there for fathers
when they all lived in bretfordan at one time
have a nice day best wishes astonian ,
 
jelf of worc and

hi stshepgood morning to you
just a quick reply i,m afraid to say regarding your uncle and
your uncle norman , jelf
norman jelf , was my grandfather s brothers son , whom name was george
george was my grand fathers oldest brother and he died in january
on the 6 th 1930 ,george did have two shops in the aston area ,
and one in at along the front of snow hill station in the city centre
your aunty married into the jelfs empire of coffee shops ,
george was my grand fathers brother , named ernest jelf, and george
was the oldest and the first son of william george jelf the gt grand father
georges family constisted of the following
there was george , lily , norman your uncle ,and irene ,of his family
so your aunty married norman ,whom was my grand fathers brothers son
and my moms first cousin , unfortunately my mother did not have any
brothers and sisters but there you go and george is burried in witton cem
stshep ,but ernie was the one with all the bussiness
all except the main operating point head qaurters if you like
where the great father started and operating from
Ivydene ,901 tyburn rd erdington , which was handed to ivy jelf
whom never ever ran a bussiness in her life until she was left the bussiness
of tyburn rd . ivy was an office worker secretary
that caused a rift between them ,him and ivy ,
but eventualy ernie gave in and sold a shop to ivy on the lichfield rd
just after the queens coronation in 1953 ,
we,ll stshep i,ve got to hang up now but may be we can contact each other another time ,any think you want to know more
don,t hestiate to get on thread or email okay there is alot more i can tell you about the jelfs and thereinvolvement in this b,ham city
i,ve got to dash now
best wishes astonian ,;;;
 
miss ivy jelf

hi everybody ,and especialy stshep
iv,e had a phone call outof the blue from a lady whom knows alot
about the jelfs and the empire.
stshep, i will be shorly telling you whom was normans father ,
i have been dicusting about norman and it makes us and your auntie
cousins ,how about that ,
and that i have finaly found ivy,s resting place ,
she has told me the story of ivy as to where she is resting
after all the hard work and the help of certain members on this site
and the time and money i,ve spent i have finaly found her
and she is with her father and mother at erdington ,
and she told me what most people of the family ,did,t know
and wanted to know, about a fall out with her brother,
whom vowed never to step over the fresh hold of her shop,and home
and also of the gambling of one of the brothers , of selling off
the bussiness to cover the loss of i.o.u.s
she is also arranging a meeting that another senior member from derby to come down to brum ,
she is preparing pics of the william george senior and of mary ann hughes
and many more info , for me as i am writing a book on them
i will let you know later more okay
best wishes astonian ;;;
 
Jelfs

Astonian, I am so pleased to hear that some more of your family jigsaw is coming together. Your perserverance seems to be paying off. Keep us updated of the meeting with the Derbyshire branch.
 
jelfs of b,ham and worc

hi sylv,
many thanks for your acknowledgement for my thread
with my perserverance ,and all the hard work you, and my fellow members
have done on the forum, i,m sure gonna put the last two pieces of my
jig saw together ,i would like to say a special thanks to my old mate crommie ,
the merlin of the forum, for a lot of explosive information ,he as given me
also lindy for tracking mary ann , but i do have to mention ,our old friend
whom as been magic on the forum , and i wish we could make contact with us again on the forum and that is pete, [ dolly feet ] i have tried is telephone no on many occasions but still no reply , sadly .
the last word from me to him was i will meet up at the cem; but pete never turned up ,for what reason i do not know ,i spent two years trying to track
down george william jelf , and grand mother, jelf, [Nee mary ann hughes ]
when mr nice guy pete dolly feet found it for me ,
and as i,ve just recently just found out ,from a lady whom i contacted by letter some time ago by telephone to me ,that also miss ivy jelf,
my auntie is also inturned there ,but her name has,t been included on the head stone so know one would have known it
Ido not want to disclose the reason for this being at he moment,but
the lady in question have given me a vauluable reason for the doing so
as to why the inscription was not put on ,
also the lady,s mother hold all the questions and answers to all my investigations to what i,ve been researching ,
they both live in b,ham , and apparently the lady whom lives in derby
is also a long lost cousin ,i,m told she elderly and she is arranging to bring her down to b,ham with more info;
the lady from b,ham as given me alot of explosive info;about the jelf rogine
but there is things she would like to know from me ,that she does,nt know
any way syl ,i will sign off here for now ,and i will certainly let you know more of my story when i have seen these people
and i intend to let stsheep know whom was norman,s father was
as this lady mentioned norman ,and that norman had a son ,whom still alive , and never married and tells me he his a spitting image of ernie jelf
have a nice day everybody ; best wishes astonian ;;;
 
I was wondering what's happened to dollyferrets, I miss all of his lovely photos he used to post.
 
jelfsof worc

hi mariew
yes i think we all miss him off the site ,
i keep ring is home number i get no response ,and i have left message to no prevail i do not get any replies
and he was a great asset to the forum with is wonderful pics ,
the last one he done for me was when he went to st barnabus church in erdington and got the pic of the grand parents grave of the jelfs
we arrange to meet up but never did show
i can only say that i hope he his in good health,and for what ever the reason he has not been on the forum , that if he can see our request and viewing the forum as a guest please , please dolly , [pete ] get back to us
and if of his friends or family are viewing this space
give him all our kind regardsand we are thinking of him and if he is suffering bad health ,we hope he gets better soon ,
from all his friends at theforum
have a nice day best wishes astonian ;;;
 
I Phoned Him About Two Weeks Ago.and His Mom Said He Was Ok.will Try And Pop In When I'm Down That Way. Maybe Today.
 
Billc please tell him he is missed. I last saw him at Carl Chinn's talk in St Pauls in the Jewellery Quarter. He is quite a character, come back soon Pete. Wendy
 
jelfsof worc

hi guys
moma.p and billy c
thanks a million for treking our little dolly feet
pete of course i mean ,
thanks for letting us know he his well
and he his still with us
billy i hope you get the chance today to get to
go down and visit him,and give him my regards
and tell him thanks a million from me
on my behalf for what he has done for us
and we all look forewarded to him coming back
in the clicking move we know him for
thanks again guys , billy c and momma p.
 
jelfs of worcestershire

Hi STSHEP
HOW ARE YOU MATE ,? I THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ,ABOUT YOUR UNCLE NORMAN
WELL BRIEFLY THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT YOUR AUNTIES HUSBAND
OUR NORMAN , WHOM IS A JELF WAS NOT ERNIES BROTHER
AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER ,THAT IT IS NORMANS DAD WHOM WAS THE
BROTHER TO ERNIE ,
NORMANS FATHER WAS GEORGE WILLIAM JELF
WHOM WAS THE FIRST SON TO WILLIAM GEORGE JELF
AND GEORGE JELF WAS THE BROTHER TO ERNIE JELF
NORMANS DAD HAD FOUR CHILDREN ,
LILY. IRENE GEORGE AND NORMAN ,GEORGE IS STILL ALIVE AND LIVES IN WEOLY CATLE B,HAM .IRENE IS STILL ALIVE .GEORGE IS IN IS NINETYS ,
IRENE IS EIGHTY FOUR ,
SO WHEN YOU WAS TOLD ABOUT NORMANS BROTHER HAVING THE SHOP IN ASTON THEY MEANT IT WAS HIS DADS BROTHER WHOM HAD A CAFE IN ASTON IN HIS TIME HE HAD TWO SHOPS ONE ON THE LICHFIELD RD
AND ONE ONTHE ASTON RD NORTH WHICH WAS ON THE CORNER OF ROCKY LANE ,OPPERSITE THE GOLDEN CROSS
SADLEY WHEN GEORGE DIED IN 6TH JANUARY 1930 AND IS BURRIED IN WITTON CEMETARYTHE ONE BROTHER OF JELFS WILLIAM JELF
TOOK ON THE ROCKY LANE SHOP ,BUT IT WAS SHORT LIVED
HE DIDN,T HAVE THE BUSSINESS ACDEMICS FOR BUSSINESS
SO HE SOLD IT TO ERNIE,AND ERNIE HAD IT OFF HIM
AT THE END OF THE DAY ERNIE ENDED UP WITH ALL THE BROTHERS BUSSINESS,S AS SLOWLY THEY ALL WAS DYING HE TOOK THE LOT
ALL EXCEPT ONE THE MAIN MAJOR ONE HEAD OFFICE IF YOU LIKE
AND THAT WAS [ IVYDENE ] 901 TYBURN RD ERDINGTON B,HAM
THE POWER HOUSE ,AND THAT WAS BECAUSE ERNIE FELL OUT WITH IS ONE AND ONLY SISTER MISS IVY JELF SPINSTER ,
WHOM WAS AN LONELY WOMAN WHOM BEFRIENDED A COBBLER BY THE NAME OF HAROLD LLOYED , WHOM WAS OPERATING A COBBLER BUSSINESS ON THE LICHFIELD RD OWNED BY THE JELFS HE WAS A MARRIED BLOKE
WITH A WIFE BACK IN LIVERPOOL
THE BROTHER TRYED TO TELL HER OF HIS MEANS OF WANTING TO BE WITH HER, ANYWAY SHE WOULD NOT LISTEN
ERNIE VOWED NEVER TO STEP FOOT IN THE PLACE OR THE FRESH HOLD
WHILST SHE WAS WITH HIM AND ERNIE KEPT TO HIS WORD
RIGHT UP TILL HE DIED IN 1970 HE IS BURRIED IN YARDLEY CEM;
ALONG WITH HIS WIFE BERTHA , VICTORIA [NEE HINTON] JELF
SO THERE YOU HAVE IT NORMANS FATHER WAS GEORGE JELF
HAVE A NICE DAY AND IF YOUWANT TO KNOW ANYTHINK ELSE
JUST PUT IT UP ON THE FORUM OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME
I SHALL OF COURSE BE HAVING SOME PICS VERY SOON OF THERE FATHER AND GRAND FATHER IF YOU ARE INTRESTED AND OF THE PLACE WHERE THERE FATHERS CAME FROM IN WICHEMFORD AND BRETONFORD
BEST WISHES ASTONIAN ,;;;;
 
Hi Emf and Astonian

I am new to the site but when looking thro the surname list i stopped at yours because I know a family of Jelfs in Birmingham in the Quinton area and although they are not my family I wondered if they were connected to you. All I know at the moment is the oldest Jelf was Harry (could be henry) born early 1930's. He died quite young but his sons still around if you would like me to find out more please let me know!

Best wishes

Kaz
 
jelf of worc

hi there kaz
many thanks for your response on the thread regarding our members
of the jelf family
i am very curious and intrigue to find out more from you and would like very much if you could furbish us withmore of your info;
on the person you called henryand may be one of the sons of henry
i look forewarded to hearing froom you ,
best wishes astonian
 
Hi All, Have read this post with interest. I did a little work on my Uncle's family tree sometime ago. Although he was mainly interested in his Payne family (from Inkberrow, Worcestershire if I remember correctly) I know they had connections with a Jelfs family.

I'll drop him an e-mail and get him to take a look.
 
HI ELLY And KMT
First Of All ELLIE I Look Forewarded To Your Feed Back There As BeenA Payne Been Mentioned Before Now With Some Connections To Jelfs And Yes The Registry Of Lands
Owned By The Jelfs Stretch Across The Whole Vale Of orcestershire Going Back Centuries And It Recorded It Still Owned By The Jelfs From Honeybourne Across Worc To Inkerboro Which Is Just Down The Lane From ME This Info; Is Registered In The Worc Libary Today ,And Yes KMT William Is Also The William Jelf Is The Lad Born At Peg Farm Owned By The Father Of Samuel Jelf And The Money Was Left To William ,
George , When He Died And This Is Where The Other Jelfs Started Up In Bussiness
Through Is Finanace To Set Them Up And This Is Where They Were Able To Provide Provisons To B,hamPeople On TheBlack Market During The War Years ,Georges Mom
[ That Is George William Senior Was Maria , ] And She Came To B,ham And Lived
In A Big House On The Old Belgrave Rd In The Past Years And Then Followed By Some Other Member Jelfs One Named Billy[ William Jelf ] Died At The Age Of 5 Months OLD
Lived In The Court Houses Up At The Old Five Ways B,ham ,And His Father Was Called William AS Well I Have Got The Name Of The Place In Inkboro Some where I Will Try And Dig It Out Some time But I Am Going To Cuba For An Holiday On The Nineth Of Next Month And I Am Going Away This Friday To Brean For AWEEK Then Flying Out To Cuba But Ellie I Sure Would Like To Find Out What You Can You Can Certainly EM To Me Any think You CanLearn So I Can Add It To My Book
So We Could Be Distant Relatives , When I Saw Your Name Ellie I Thought Emediately Is That Short For Ellen , Because We Had AN Auntie By The Name Of Ellen Whom Ran A Fish And Chip Shop At Spring Hill Whom Was Connect In Some Way To Jelf I Used To Help Out In The Shop When I Was Young ,Any Way , That What I Thought When I Seen The Name Ellie Coming UP I Thought Ah Is It ELLEN jELF Relative From The Chippie CO,S THE Jelfs Had Chippie Shops AS Well AS The Tea Rooms And Resturants
Along Side Of Joe Lyons Wearing The Same Uniforms AS His Staff I Was Told By My Mother , Any Way Ellie Thanks For Replying Look Forewarded To Your Return
If You Find Out Any think , Best Wishes ASTONIAN ,;;
 
I found this today on a public grave at Key Hill Cemetery. Job Jelfs died June 1915 age 70.
 
Re: jelfs

Hello

I have alot of Jelfs in my family they all seem to have come from Bretforton Worcs, my Sarah Jelfs married Issac Cormell.
 
Ststep
hi sttepi,ve been going through some of my old threads on the topic of jelfs of worc and the last one you wrote you mentioned your aunt was married to a jelf and his name was norman over at castle bromwich
and i asked what would have been normans father , but i never got a reply from no-one on that request but now i know ,i can tell you
according to the records i have asatained normans father was george
jelf and when norman told you his father said he had got a brother over at aston running coffee shops he was correct his brother was my grand father ernest jelf my grand father , so norman is in my family
and he would be my mothers cousin along with irene and dorothy
as well so we are family related .what a turn up for the books
best wishes astonian ,;;
 
Hello I read your posts with great interest as my mothers family are all Jelfs from Birmingham and I wondered if they were anything to do with you . I'm afraid I haven't got very far all I know is that my GG grandfather was called Francis born 1845 and was originally from Birmingham He was a pocket book maker and his son George was born in St Leonard in London in 1864 He went to a Bluecoat school , but we aren't sure if it was in Birmingham or Norfolk (his mother Eliza was from Kings Lynn). Is this anything to do with your Jelfs?
 
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