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James Southerton, Martineau and Smith

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I have been researching this firm as part of my interest in horticultural sprayer manufacturers. The following Is what I have established so far but there is missing information and anomalies. Additional information any corrections would be appreciated. Notes refer to the source of the information. These not included but available if there is interest.

The business as it existed when sprayer production ceased around 1947 was made up of two separate firms which amalgamated around 1935.

The partnership of Martineau and Smith was established before 1861. The partnership that existed then involved Robert Martineau (1798-1870), his son Robert Francis Martineau (1831-1909), Brooke Smith Senior (1797-1876 and his son Brooke Smith Junior (1828-1896). On 17 January 1861 Robert Martineau left the partnership (note 1). Brooke Smith Senior (1797-1876) is shown in the 1861 census as a cock founder employing 50 men and 50 boys (note 2). Brooke Smith, of the firm of Martineau and Smith has a provisional patent pending (2350) dated 19 September 1861 for the invention of improvements in taps and cocks (note 3). On the 31 January 1866, Brooke Smith Senior left the partnership leaving just his son Brooke Smith Junior and Robert Francis Martineau as partners (note 4). Benjamin Holmes Bennett (1845-1928) was involved in the partnership by 1885 and left the partnership on 31 December 1887 (note 5). James Smith (1847-1932), the mayor of Birmingham in 1895 was involved in the business at some point (note 6). Possibly, with and then following Robert Francis Martineau. Martineau and Smith were making sprayers by 1925 (note 7).

The other firm involved was James Southerton & Son. The founding of this firm is said to date back to 1814 (note 8) . The name appears to have its origins in a business started around 1870 by James Southerton (1843-1899) (note 8) . He was followed by Harry James Sutherton (1871-1940). Jas. Southerton & Son at Sandy Lane is mentioned in the Birmingham Mail in 1914 (note 9). Harry James Southerton seems to have been in charge at the time of his death in 1940 (note 8). Harry James Southerton was followed by his son James Dedicote Southerton ((1899-1973). He was the General Manager in 1939 (note 12). They do not seem to have made sprayers until their involvement with Martineau & Smith.
Jas. Southerton involvement with Martineau and Smith is first mentioned in 1935 when there are advertisements showing them trading as Jas. Southerton & Son, Martineau & Smith at their new works (note 10). They may have taken over when James Smith died in 1932.

The last sprayer advertisements I know of appeared in 1947 (note 11). James Southerton Martineau and Smith Ltd had been formed by 1947 with James D Southerton as Chairman (note 12). In 1977 they formed an association with ornamental brassware maker Peerage of Birmingham. At that time James Southerton were described as makers of gas and water fittings. By 1986 James Southerton Ltd had been formed (note 13) and by 1989 the company had become a subsidiary of Newman Tonk (note 14).
 
Yes it does. However, his father wasn't born in 1837. Might be an error and should be 1873 or his grandfather but he was John Sutherton who isn't recorded as a brassfounder until the 1881 census. According to Edgar N Hiley in the Book Brass Saga published in 1957 James Southerton and Son was founded in 1814.
 
Looks like Martineau Smith partnership was formed in the later 1820s. Robert Martineau was from the famous Birmingham family of five mayors/Lord mayors !

 
Yes it does. However, his father wasn't born in 1837. Might be an error and should be 1873 or his grandfather but he was John Sutherton who isn't recorded as a brassfounder until the 1881 census. According to Edgar N Hiley in the Book Brass Saga published in 1957 James Southerton and Son was founded in 1814.

It is looking highly unlikely that John Southerton and Son was founded in 1814 or 1837 !
 
I think so as well, but Edgar Hiley was very in touch with the brassfounders still in business in 1957 so I would expect him to be correct. It may be just a question of what is meant by founded and there may be earlier relatives I can't identify. My feeling is that the mention of 1837 is an error and that 1873 is more likely. John Southerton the father of Harry is described as a chauffeur in the 1861 and 1871 but as a brassfounder in 1881, which makes me think that he became involved in the business set up by Harry. This would fix the date between 1871 and 1881 supporting the 1873 theory. Thank for the very interesting link to Robert Martineau.
 
For Chauffeur I read Chaff Cutter in the 1851 census for John S (Harry’s grandfather in Deritend) he is also a chaff cutter in the 1861 census.

Now the son of John, being James (1843-99), is down as a gas fitter in 1861, and for me this is the link to when brass founding connection begins.
 
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I would be inclined to be cautious about the 1814 date given in Brass Saga. In 1957 the research facilities were limited, and it may even be a misprint for 1874.

If we refer to the obituary of Harry S in 1940 it states that his father (James) founded the firm in 1837. The date is again highly unlikely but if we were to assume the date to be another misprint and to be1873, we have a questionable date of 1873/4 as the founding. We also have James as the founder.

1851 census shows James with his father John.
1861 census shows him as a gas fitter.
1871 census shows him as a brass gas fitting maker.
1876 appears in Kell’s in Ravenhurst Rd.
1881 census shows him as draper and brass founder.
1891 census as brass worker. He died in 1899.
1901 census for Harry S has him as Brass founder, employer at 462 Coventry Rd.

This sequence could show a typical Birmingham progression from skilled trade into small-scale manufacturing, rather than an early 19th-century established firm. It seems much more likely that the business originated in the early–mid 1870s, with the often-quoted earlier dates (1814 and 1837) representing later tradition, confusion of generations, or simple error rather than a demonstrable firm foundation.
 
Yes.You are right. Relied on AI to read it. John was a chaff cutter pre 1881. I agree that probability is that James (1843-1899) started the business the 1870s. As it stands there is no evidence for an earlier date. Thank you for your input.
 
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