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Iommi family

There are three mysteries still that I would like to figure out.

The second Giuseppe we found who was an artists model. His wife Maria died young, there is absolutely no record of his death.

Francesco iommi who is a cousin of the family (Tony Iommi’s grandad) who married a Maria musticone (but she was already an Iommi)…. who is his father???

Last one. Nicholas Iommi. You guys found his citizenship record (I think that’s what it’s called. He was married to a marionette. They’re both on a census record and I’m sure lived with Giuseppe above for a while. Who are his parents.

I’m still searching for these .
 
There are gaps in the Italian records so it's difficult to say. Felice could have other siblings which don't show up yet.

We know that some of the Iommis returned to Italy at times somaybe Giuseppe returned and died there.

The Nicola (Nicholas) that lived with the other Giuseppe may be the son of Gaetano, there is a birth record of about the right time.

You can easily find out Francesco's father, but it would mean spending money, by buying his marriage certificate.
 
When Giuseppe done the article in the paper he was 70 then and in the uk, but I guess if there’s no mention of him here he must of gone back.

Shall I put the above record down as his brother for now, as the parents are the same, bar the dad’s name.
Like u say I can’t see the mother marrying the brother before or afterwards lol.

Yes with Francesco as he isn’t my direct line at this stage I won’t spend any money. But I’m going to look at his grave at some point in Witton. :)

He was down on the 1911 census as being felices cousin. But felice was in his 60 and Francesco was 17 so must of been his kids cousins?! But then wouldn’t that make him his nephew… ahhh it’s so confusing!
 
As long as you know that there is some doubt then I don't see any problem. It can easily be changed if new evidence comes to light.

Apologies if I'm going over old ground.

Taking the relationship - cousin - between the other Giuseppe and Nicola listed on the 1911 census at face value then it would imply that Gaetano & Felice had at least one other brother. Assuming that Nicola is Gaetano's son.

Also on the 1911 census there is a Peter Jommi. He could also be Gaetano's son as there is a possible birth listed for him.
 
MWS said:
As long as you know that there is some doubt then I don't see any problem. It can easily be changed if new evidence comes to light.

Apologies if I'm going over old ground.

Taking the relationship - cousin - between the other Giuseppe and Nicola listed on the 1911 census at face value then it would imply that Gaetano & Felice had at least one other brother. Assuming that Nicola is Gaetano's son.

Also on the 1911 census there is a Peter Jommi. He could also be Gaetano's son as there is a possible birth listed for him.
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I think that makes good sense!
 
yes ill put that down for now and see if any hints come up also.

I have two Peters on the tree, one born 1925 is the son of Maria and Francesco and then Peter also called his son Peter and he was born 1958. if im right.
 
Yes, that's right.

The Peter on the 1911 census if he's who I think he is was listed as Vincenzo Pietro Donato on his birth record. There was an elder brother also called Pietro who died young.
 
MWS said:
Yes, that's right.

The Peter on the 1911 census if he's who I think he is was listed as Vincenzo Pietro Donato on his birth record. There was an elder brother also called Pietro who died young.
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Did he take his middle name and change it to Peter?
 
Can't say with any certainty because that appears to be the only sighting of him.

But people with more than one name didn't always use their first (my nan was Sarah Ann but no one called her Sarah) and foreign names do get anglicized. Also, he was a lodger so wouldn't have filled the census in himself.
 
MWS said:
Can't say with any certainty because that appears to be the only sighting of him.

But people with more than one name didn't always use their first (my nan was Sarah Ann but no one called her Sarah) and foreign names do get anglicized. Also, he was a lodger so wouldn't have filled the census in himself.
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Interesting my wife is Patricia Ann, when she was younger, Patty Ann, now Patricia (Pat).
 
Richard Dye said:
An off-topic question for Jance, I think I know the answer: my wife's parents were Italian, Palmerozzi & Occhetti, do you think is an easier search from where you are than in the US? I am not asking you to do anything other than your judgement. Thank you!
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There are numerous records on familysearch for your wife's Occhetti and Palmarozzi ancestors. There is also a tree.

1910 census gives her Palmarozzi's grandfather's emigration date as 1890 and her (Pizzani) grandmother's as 1906, and her Occhietti grandfather's as 1901 and her (Trama) grandmother's as 1905.
 
MWS said:
There are numerous records on familysearch for your wife's Occhetti and Palmarozzi ancestors. There is also a tree.

1910 census gives her Palmarozzi's grandfather's emigration date as 1890 and her (Pizzani) grandmother's as 1906, and her Occhietti grandfather's as 1901 and her (Trama) grandmother's as 1905.
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Wow! We are at a hospital getting ready for some tests and just showed your findings to my wife!
THANK YOU, so much! All of the names are known to her but not those dates. Now I meet my ancestry skills sharpened. Thank you again!
 
Suzanneiom said:
ok Ill leave that one for now... and just wait to see if more info becomes available. :)
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A small diversion into your Irish ancestors.

I see on your tree that you have Nora Davern's parents as Jermiah and Mary. They are Jeremiah Davern b1865 co. Tipperary, d1951 Cashel & Mary Quinn b1873 co. Tipperary, d1948 Cashel.
 
Just a quick one about Elizabeth nee (smith) who became a pechio, had three kids, then married a foster & then a barker.

The son Alfred Henry foster who joined the army and used the surname foster and he wasn’t a foster. Do we know for sure that he was definitely a pechio (perca)
 
We don't know for certain.

In favour of him not being a Pecchia, apart from using the Foster name, is he deosn't appear to have been baptised a Catholic like his 2 sisters
 
Right ok.. hmmm .. a family member is in possession of a plaque that they are getting re done and placing it at his grave in France... before I relay this story just wanted to get the facts right.
Im going to go with that he was a Pechio from the birth record :)
 
It's one of those things that you'll never know one way or the other. No descendants, no one still alive who knew him.

Unless you dig him up and hope you can extract dna to compare to his half siblings descendants. Probably a bit extreme though.:)
 
MWS said:
It's one of those things that you'll never know one way or the other. No descendants, no one still alive who knew him.

Unless you dig him up and hope you can extract dna to compare to his half siblings descendants. Probably a bit extreme though.:)
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I was actually watching about king Richard III they found under a car park and they done exactly that, extracted his dna and traced down 16 lines to present day to identify him.

Its a head scratcher why he took the Foster name, im guessing his father wasn't present and he took his moms current husbands name.
 
When it come to Richard III I'm still sceptical.

There are 3 possibilities - he is the son of Luciano Pecchia and used the Foster name for convenience, he's the son of Alfred Foster or he is the son of an unknown father and again used the Foster name for convenience.

As he was registered as Pechis (Pecchia) you'd assume that his birth certificate wouldn't list a father other than Luciano. Though the spelling is particularly poor.
 
I think we can rule out that he was the son of Foster as he already had a son called Alfred so I don't they would use that name again, so I think the other two options.
It also crossed my mind that his father left and he didn't have a relationship and maybe he didn't want that name.

They found two descendants of Richard III and tested them both and came to the conclusion it was him and also from the curved spine... but who knows...
 
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Going back to the 1901 census. Elizabeth, Alexandra and Alfred are together with no sign of Alfred Foster at that time so that would seem support your ruling out of him being the father.

Why did he choose to use the name Foster though if he wasn't one. He could have stuck with Pecchia, or gone for Smith or Barker.
 
MWS said:
Going back to the 1901 census. Elizabeth, Alexandra and Alfred are together with no sign of Alfred Foster at that time so that would seem support your ruling out of him being the father.

Why did he choose to use the name Foster though if he wasn't one. He could have stuck with Pecchia, or gone for Smith or Barker.
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Really odd! Like u say one of those mysteries! That id love to find out
 
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