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Howard's of Handsworth

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Hi, I have the following Howard's in my tree from the Handsworth area:

Charles born c1806. He married Sarah Pearman
His children were Elizabeth c1829, John c1831, Frances c1834, Mary Ann c1835, William c1839, James c1840, Ellen c1842, Emma c1842, Thomas c1844, Charles c1846 and Esther c1848.

I have been able to trace William and Emma to Australia and Charles became a canal boatman. Esther I can find until her mom dies but I can't find any of the other children once Charles dies in c1856.

If anyone has any Howard's let me know and I will see if they are related
 
Hi. When you say 'Handsworth Area', do you know exactly where? A quick search of the BMD site has found these births, registered in nearby West Bromwich (records only began in 1837).
William Howard - Birth registered 2nd Quarter 1838 Recorded in Volume 18 page 516.
James Howard - 1st quarter 1840 vol 18 p 518
Eleanor Howard - 1st quarter 1842 vol 18 p 558
Thomas Powell Howard - 4th quarter 1844 vol 18 p unreadable - could be 581 but very unclear.
Charles Howard - 2nd quarter 1846 vol 18 p 614
Eliza Howard - 1st quarter 1848 vol 18 p 579.
Of course thay may not be the ones you want, but they seem to fit. To be certain you need the actual birth certificates and check the parents' names.
Could the ones you can't find after their parents' deaths have been adopted and changed name? Just a thought.
 
The Charles Howard 1846 is the child of Charles and Sarah. I have just ordered birth certificates for Emma and Thomas Powell so fingers crossed. They were living in a place called Brookrow in 1846 when Charles was born. Not sure if that's a street or an area. As far as I can tell they were living there from 1841 onwards. Esther was disabled and lived with her mom and Emma and her husband until her mom died. She may have moved to Australia with her sister but I'm not sure.

Thank you for your help
 
In 1871 Sarah howard is living with her daughter Emma who is shown as married to Edward Cheslin, in Bright Terrace, Gower Street Aston, Esther is with them. In 1881 Emma is in Berner Street Aston, with her husband and family. As there is no sign of Sarah, who is shown as infirm in 1871, and Esther shown as imbecile, awful term isn't it, it is likely that Esther is in an infirmary possibly attached to a workhouse. I can find no marriage between Emma and Edward.

Time of my bed now so I will look tomorrow for more of the children of Sarah and Charles.
 
BMD shows an Edwin Cheslin marrying a Emma Howard last quarter of 1864, Birmingham vol 6d page 21.
 
Thanks. Sarah died in 1876 and Edwin and Emma moved to Australia some time after 1881 with their son Ernest. William also moved and I have spoken to his descendants in Australia
 
On the 1861 Census Sarah is living at 26 Park Place Ninevah Road Birmingham, All Saints area. With her are James. Emma, Thomas, Charles and Esther. Sarah is shown as head, aged 52 and a coal dealer. James engine fitter, Emma a laquerer, Thomas is an engraver and Charles a Coiner. Sarah says she was born in Oxford.
 
The 1861 census bothers me slightly as the best record I can find for John Howard in 1861 would mean that James would be living with him in Liverpool. It wouldn't be the first time that I've had two people in different places at the same time but it would be odd :confused:. Ahh the joys of genealogy
 
Marriage of John Howard to Maria James September Quarter 1859 Ref Liverpool 8b 344. If you order the certificate and stipulate father must be Charles then you won't pay the total amount if father isn't Charles.
 
I didn't think of that. I'll give it a go and fingers crossed, I've already had 1 wrong certificate this week oops!
 
I have had 2 certificates come today - 1 was the death certificate for Charles in 1853, the other was the marriage certificate for John Howard and Maria James in 1859. The father is named as Charles Howard - Engine (I can't read the next bit looks like s _ _ _ then either tte or tle). James' age is full. Based on this it does look as though James could have been in 2 places on the 1861 census!
 
There is always a first time I guess, if John had lived in Birmingham then you could think that maybe James had popped round the corner and been included in both his mother's house and his brothers. But living in Liverpool, I can't see that it is the same person, he worked on the docks as a Ship's Smith. I looked again at the 1851 census and Charles is shown as a messenger age 48, John as an Engine Fitter, James at age 10 was an errand boy, what did Charles death certificate say? This the last census for Charles, so there is no other to compare with, and I do think that the 1861 Census showing James with his mother Sarah is the correct one.
 
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The father is named as Charles Howard - Engine (I can't read the next bit looks like s _ _ _ then either tte or tle).
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That would be Engine Fitter. A man who fits parts to (therefore builds or repairs) Engines - either railway, ship or stationary steam ones, usually.
 
Charles' death certificate states that he died in the general hospital (on something Lane). His occupation was blacksmith and his wife registered the death. She was still living at Brook Row. On his son Charles birth certificate in 1846 his occupation is smith which is the same as on the birth certificate for Emma in 1842. On his marriage certificate in 1871 his father is down as deceased occupation blacksmith. In the 1841 census his occupation is engineer and in the 1851 census messenger.
 
It's a mystery, as my daughter would say:) I still think that the John in Liverpool isn't your John. I wondered if maybe he died but there doesn't seem to be a death registered. The family of Charles were all born in Staffs, in Handsworth, registered in West Bromwich, the Liverpool census gives birth for John and James as Birmingham. I'll have another poke and see if I can find anything more.
 
Thank you. I wonder if John also moved to Australia before William and Emma. As I can't find them in the passenger records this is only a guess. I found his son Charles in Newport Shropshire in the 1871 census on the canal and he got married in Chester in 1871 also
 
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