hi lily totally sympathise with you...so many of us have got ancestors who have had their remains removed...its just not morally right..however i noticed you say you cant locate a death record for you gt gt gt grandmother so if you would like to give us her name we can ask our members to double check this for you
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Thank you I would appreciate this. Her name was Esther Hudson nee baker
Born around 1815 (baptised at st martins 21st of September of that year.
Death unknown date but buried 5th feb 1860 at holy trinity church bordesley. Abode brass street. Age 44
Her husband George died 28th July 1860 buried 5th august at holy trinity church bordesley after a pneumonia 3 weeks and gangrene of the lung. Residence fordrough street. His death was registered by his daughter in law, not by any of his 5 children. Age 44
There is nothing on the gro for Esther in neither name for that period. She does not appear on any census records after 1851. The age fits and they I know they were living separately at the time of her death probably from 1857/8, when her husband was taken to court by his employer for not fulfilling his duties as a sword grinder due to his drunken habits and gaoled for a month.
I just feel so sad for her. 44 is a nothing age to die. I’ve checked newspapers for the period and she is just a literal ghost. Nothing. It’s like she never lived other than her baptism records.
Ironically I can’t find gro records for the birth of any her sons (William is pre gro in 1835, but George 1840 and James 1843 should be, but strangely I can for her daughters, Mary Ann and Esther. neither daughters ever married as far as I can see,
Esther b. 1851 is my gt gt grandmother through her only son William b 1875. Her daughter Ann died 1872 aged 2.
I feel connected to Esther senior, as her life was hard and apparently chaotic. Lots of house moves and I dunno, it should have been different. Her husband had a trade. A good one for the time and yet, she lived in abject poverty and her kids were undoubtedly affected. It was what we would call today a dysfunctional family. william died suddenly at 27, George became a habitual criminal, in and out of prison for the rest of his life who also lost an arm around 1863, James married and died at age 34. Mary Ann didn’t appear to Marry, but moved in with the bloke next door Samuel green around 1863 and established themselves as man and wife which actually seemed stable. And Esther lived with her and her family until she moved in with her son, his wife and their children. As I said neither girl married.
All these are facts, which when read objectively tell a rather unpleasant story probably one which was rather common at the time.