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HI JOSIETRUE
Yes i can recall the cheney factory in time gone bye and how the employeyers ripped of the old work force for there pensions
worked and payed hard for years for that company and when they closed down all the work force lost there pension money
did not get money they was owned i was a disgrace and you can get the full story from th birmingham evening mail archives ;
when you got proposed to it was not the same night at the palliunum that they was screning ELVIS ; G I BLUES , WAS IT
As i was there that night watching it did you go ito the ocean expresso coffee house next door to celebrate it ;
nice little romantic thread josie ; have a great day best wishes Astonian ;;;;;;
Yes i can recall the cheney factory in time gone bye and how the employeyers ripped of the old work force for there pensions
worked and payed hard for years for that company and when they closed down all the work force lost there pension money
did not get money they was owned i was a disgrace and you can get the full story from th birmingham evening mail archives ;
when you got proposed to it was not the same night at the palliunum that they was screning ELVIS ; G I BLUES , WAS IT
As i was there that night watching it did you go ito the ocean expresso coffee house next door to celebrate it ;
nice little romantic thread josie ; have a great day best wishes Astonian ;;;;;;
B
BernardR
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To clarify Alan's comment it was not the Employers who committed the fraud as this happened after the company had been closed. The fraud was committed by individuals who acquired the closed company purely to get their hands on the pension fund. As can be seen the pensioners were eventually put back into the position they enjoyed before the fraud.
This report also refers to the case.
From SchemeExpert.COM -
Five jailed for Cheney fraud
Staff writer | 01 December 2005
A major pensions fraud case has ended with five people jailed for a total of 26 years, following the theft of £3m in pension assets.
The fraud occurred at the CW Cheney pension fund and resulted in what is believed to have been the largest pensions fraud since the Maxwell case.
Cumberland Leasing Corporation acquired CW Cheney, a small lock-making firm in Birmingham, in April 2000.
CW Cheney had by then ceased to be a going concern and its pension fund was its largest asset. The original scheme trustees resigned and the fraudsters were able to extract £700,000 from the pension fund in April 2000, £50,000 in May and £2.2m in September 2000.
Following information from the scheme actuaries in October 2000, the Occupational Pension Regulatory Authority (Opra) appointed an independent trustee firm, Independent Trustee Services (ITS), part of Jardine Lloyd Thompson.
The case was also referred to the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and the West Midlands Police.
At the two trials in 2004, five defendants were found guilty but reporting restrictions covered the case until the conclusion of a separate Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) case against the the principal participant in the fraud, Kevin Sykes, in November 2005.
In 2004, Sykes was sentenced to six and a half years’ imprisonment and disqualified from acting as a company director for ten years. In addition, a suspended sentence of 18 months from 1998 was activated.
In the later DTI case, he was sentenced to four years’ imprisonment for fraudulent trading as a ‘credit resistance strategist’.
SFO assistant director Philip Blakeborough described the case as “a callous and ruthlessly executed fraud”.
ITS, with the assistance of law firm Taylor Wessing, recovered £1.3m in assets. Together with a successful application to the Pensions Compensation Board, a Taylor Wessing spokesman said the pensioners had been put back into the position they enjoyed before the fraud.
MC
This report also refers to the case.
From SchemeExpert.COM -
Five jailed for Cheney fraud
Staff writer | 01 December 2005
A major pensions fraud case has ended with five people jailed for a total of 26 years, following the theft of £3m in pension assets.
The fraud occurred at the CW Cheney pension fund and resulted in what is believed to have been the largest pensions fraud since the Maxwell case.
Cumberland Leasing Corporation acquired CW Cheney, a small lock-making firm in Birmingham, in April 2000.
CW Cheney had by then ceased to be a going concern and its pension fund was its largest asset. The original scheme trustees resigned and the fraudsters were able to extract £700,000 from the pension fund in April 2000, £50,000 in May and £2.2m in September 2000.
Following information from the scheme actuaries in October 2000, the Occupational Pension Regulatory Authority (Opra) appointed an independent trustee firm, Independent Trustee Services (ITS), part of Jardine Lloyd Thompson.
The case was also referred to the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) and the West Midlands Police.
At the two trials in 2004, five defendants were found guilty but reporting restrictions covered the case until the conclusion of a separate Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) case against the the principal participant in the fraud, Kevin Sykes, in November 2005.
In 2004, Sykes was sentenced to six and a half years’ imprisonment and disqualified from acting as a company director for ten years. In addition, a suspended sentence of 18 months from 1998 was activated.
In the later DTI case, he was sentenced to four years’ imprisonment for fraudulent trading as a ‘credit resistance strategist’.
SFO assistant director Philip Blakeborough described the case as “a callous and ruthlessly executed fraud”.
ITS, with the assistance of law firm Taylor Wessing, recovered £1.3m in assets. Together with a successful application to the Pensions Compensation Board, a Taylor Wessing spokesman said the pensioners had been put back into the position they enjoyed before the fraud.
MC
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Josie are you sure the Pawnshop was on The Flat? I cant recall one, the only one was in Ford Street. Carol.
hi josie ;
to be quite honest i myself do not recall one on the flat ;and to be quite honest i cannot recall ford street
as my cousins and aunt win and harry phelps lived at the bottom of ford street
and also my father worked at charles harriss bakelite moulders for donkeys years so oi was always down there plus i courted aot of girls from around there in my younger days
do you not think it could have been spring hill which is just up the road from the flat he always had a big display of trays of rings and watches in is
large widows he had both sides of his door way ; next to sid cleggs pototoes shop ;
i even took a gold watch belonging to my grand father in there and got one of those big old fashioniond five notes
may be before your time depending on your age ;
have a cracking day ; best wishes astonian;;
to be quite honest i myself do not recall one on the flat ;and to be quite honest i cannot recall ford street
as my cousins and aunt win and harry phelps lived at the bottom of ford street
and also my father worked at charles harriss bakelite moulders for donkeys years so oi was always down there plus i courted aot of girls from around there in my younger days
do you not think it could have been spring hill which is just up the road from the flat he always had a big display of trays of rings and watches in is
large widows he had both sides of his door way ; next to sid cleggs pototoes shop ;
i even took a gold watch belonging to my grand father in there and got one of those big old fashioniond five notes
may be before your time depending on your age ;
have a cracking day ; best wishes astonian;;
hi coralina
How silly of me i should have remembered it because afew years back i did abit about it about four or five years back on the flat and of ford street
mind you i have to admitt i am going through what they call a senior moments
but ny way i am glad we have got you right ; best wishes astonian;;
How silly of me i should have remembered it because afew years back i did abit about it about four or five years back on the flat and of ford street
mind you i have to admitt i am going through what they call a senior moments
but ny way i am glad we have got you right ; best wishes astonian;;
Judy just found this thread again, and yes I have found a Pat her mom was Doris and Dad Thomas Timmins and living in Rotton Park Road.
DaveInston
master brummie
Apologies if this has already been answered.
Where exactly was the Brook in Hockley Brook and when did it disappear?
Where exactly was the Brook in Hockley Brook and when did it disappear?
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hi dave it has not disappeard its still flowing..runs alongside the maisonettes at villa st/hunters vale...surely you saw it when you lived in brougham st lol..most times when i am down the old end i take a peek at it and always did when passing it to go back and forth to farm st school..bit here about it and if you go to this thread and go to post 137 i have posted some pics of it...actually as a youngster our kid used to climb down those ladders to the bottom and paddle in the brook and we can both well remember the brook in heavy rain rising those high walls to almost touching distance..as a young lad our dad lived in the upper maisonette next to the brook so had a great view of it..
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=41628&page=10&highlight=hockley+brook
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockley_Brook
https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=41628&page=10&highlight=hockley+brook
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockley_Brook
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DaveInston
master brummie
Thanks Lyn, Yes I do have memories as a kid, but I'd assumed that, with all the development since I've been living down in Somerset this last 40 odd years, that it had been routed through pipes/sewers and had disappeared. It's nice to know it's still there.
thanks carol that is one of the photos i am going to post on the hockley brook thread cracking photo..in 1923 it would have been the old back to back housing of hunters vale on right..dad lived those back to backs up to about 37/38 when they were demolished as the water damage from the floods made them unsafe to live in...dad and his parents then moved to the new maisonettes at the side of the brook...they were offered an up or down maisonette and dads mom said we will take an upstairs one just in case the brook floods again..
lyn
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terryb18
Gone but not forgotten R.I.P.
This picture was posted on another forum, and I would like to know whereabouts it is. it is captioned Birmingham, Hockley 1906. I read the sign over the door as A.Douglas, Diamond Dealer. I cant make out the bottom line. I wonder if anyone could do a look up in the directories or electoral roll or wherever you look. I would like it confirmed if it is in Hockley.
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Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Hi Terry
I have looked through the directories and can find no trace of your A. Douglas, either under the Trades or Commercial listings for the early 1900's,There are quite a few other Hockley's throughout this country and one has to wonder if it has been tied to Hockley because of the diamond connection. Looking at the photo it looks a bit rural for our Hockley even for 1904.
Perhaps a census search might come up with better results?
I have looked through the directories and can find no trace of your A. Douglas, either under the Trades or Commercial listings for the early 1900's,There are quite a few other Hockley's throughout this country and one has to wonder if it has been tied to Hockley because of the diamond connection. Looking at the photo it looks a bit rural for our Hockley even for 1904.
Perhaps a census search might come up with better results?
Hi Jessa2
Are you related to the spencers whom was the fruit and veg people on the flat
I think they may had sold to the groom bridges years later
My cousins was the Phelps whom lived down the. Bottom end by the garage
Bryan, and Barry Phelps and aunty winning and uncle harry Phelps
Best wishes Astonian,,,, Alan,,,,,
Are you related to the spencers whom was the fruit and veg people on the flat
I think they may had sold to the groom bridges years later
My cousins was the Phelps whom lived down the. Bottom end by the garage
Bryan, and Barry Phelps and aunty winning and uncle harry Phelps
Best wishes Astonian,,,, Alan,,,,,
Hi Lynn
That's really kind of you with the photos especially as it shows my house 2 down from the factory .
My family must have known yr relatives as I was youngest of 6 born 1960 and my father was born in 1927 same house as where his parents ( my grandparents ) lived from early twenties . So well established family on the street .
Don't remember much other than going up the flat watching cattle being unloaded into the butchers and going with my brother to meet his then girlfriend now wife of forty years from work at Samuals at the bottom of the road .
What was the name of yr relatives I could ask my siblings if they remember them ?
hi jezza well how wonderful that one of the pics shows your old house...that is good news...i well remember our mom taking me shopping with her from where we lived in villa st to the flat..think my lasting memory of that is seeing rows of rabbits hanging outside one of the shops...my rellies in heaton st were the froggatts but they were there in 1891 so well before your family...
lyn
lyn
Hi Alan
I don't believe so but in early stages of doing my family tree , however after talking to my brothers/sisters they think it's coincidence only . Reds jezza