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Hinton Bertha

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Astonian

gone but not forgotten
GOOD MORNING EVERY-BODY
Thanks To Our Wonderful Pommie I Have Discoverd My Grand mothers
Birth Place, Which Is Listed At No 3o Sutton Street Aston ,
And She Was Recorded AS A 6.Months Old Child After That I Emediatly
My Mind Came Racing Back To When I Had Seen Pictures On The Forum With
With Potters Hill And There Was Some Sort Of A Bussiness With A Hinton
Company Thats When I Emedfiately Thought Was This The Same Family With Connections To It ,Has I Recall Sutton Street Is Only Down Park Lane
And Close BY, SO I Was Wondering Wether Or Not Some-one Do A Run Down On This For Me ,And Tell Me The Parents At These Address,s
It States Bertha Was Six Months Old At The Time In 1891
I Could Not Put The Parents Name Because I,M Not Really Sure
This Is A VERY Much Appreciated And Would MeanAlot To Find Out Whether It Was Her Father Or Not , thanks a Million Every-body ASTONIAN ,;;;;
 
Astonian I can't remember which record that I sent to you , however I have now found this one:
1891 Census
Piece: RG12/2377 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 19
Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Folio: 142 Page: 27 Schedule: 190
Address: 30 Sutton St
Household:
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HINTON John Head M M 49 Builder(Em'ee) Worcestershire - Worcester
HINTON Isabella Wife M F 39 Warwickshire - Birmingham
HINTON Jihn Son S M 19 Bricklayer(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham
HINTON Florence Dau S F 17 Dressmaker(Em'ee) Warwickshire - Birmingham HINTON Bella Dau S F 12 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
HINTON Bertha Dau S F 8 Scholar Warwickshire - Birmingham
SCHISTER Nellie Boardr W F 30 Vocalist(Em'ee) Lancashire - Liverpool
WATKIN John Boardr M M 33 Vocalist(Em'ee) Staffordshire - Dudley
WATKIN Lavina Boardr M F 23 Vocalist(Em'ee) Lancashire - Liverpool

(Cut and Pasted as found).
 
Bertha Hinton

Astonian, I wonder if the boarders who were all vocalists were staying with the Hintons while they were appearing at the Aston Hippodrome, or maybe the Victoria Playhouse or the Astoria - theatres at the time and all within walking distance of Sutton Street.
 
bertha hinton

hi sylvia
many thanks for your reply ,and in answer to your question yes they
was playing at the hippodrome and many more of the venues
around brum
and one of the hinton family was an compaere ,along with wakey .wakey billy coton and wee georgie wood where bertha grew up she became a stage dancer there and when my mother grew up she had her in tap dancing shoes at the age of five and danced with the harry leviene dance troop .
also i would like to say a big thank you to our friend pommie ,
thank you both a million ,;;
 
Hi Astonian'
I see from the census, John Hinton was born in Worcestershire, I have Hintons in worcesteshire, from the Droitwich/Hampton Lovett area, going back to abt to 1785, we may be connected:D
 
bertha hinton

hi sherob
many thanks for your reply,are you related to any hintons of worcestshire
The Fore father john hinton was a builder in cow honeybourne village as it
was known in them many many years ago, now they just cal it honeyboune
they was living on the bretonford rd amongest the jelfs family
and there fore father was the local builder in and before the war years
Bertha Hinton was my grand mother she was a very nice ladyand wealthy
any way she married into the jelfs family and my mother was there only child
and i am hoping to trace any sibbling to her
i am trying to track down anygrandchildren to bertha,
or may be any of her direct sisters or brothers children whom may be possibly alive today
there names are florence , and bella,and a brother name is either jim,or john
i believe he was in the merchant navy,are you a hinton member of the family ?. best wishes astonian ,;;;;;
 
Hello Astonian,My Hinton link, is quiet far back, Harriet Hinton born abt 1838, married Elephelet (William) Richards, and moved to birmingham, she was my g,g,g grandmother.She was born in Eldbridge, Worcestershire, her father was John born 1815, in Droitwich. You may find as you go further back, we might be related!
 
bertha hinton

many thanks for your reply, one never knows
I,ll Start on it tomorrow And i will keep you postied
john would have been around in them days in worcestershire then
he would recall the murder of tipperty toe murder in1925
when old man jelf sent william yarnold to the gallows in worceter
on his first case
okay sherob i,ll keep you postied
have a nice evenig best wishes astonian ,;;;
 
Bertha Victoria Hinton ,

Hi Sherob ,
Further To Our Thread Some Time Ago Regarding The Hintons
Have You Come Across A William Hinton On Your Files In The Family
I Am In Reciept Of A Birth Certi; Stating That Bertha Was Born In
High park Rd Smethwick ,And Her Father Was A Police Officier ,
I Find It Puzzling I Do Know The Older Ones ORIGIATE From Worcestershire
According To Worc Records, Incidently Did You Mean Elmbridge Worc ;?,
Mom Told Me He Was A Copper In Time Gone By , Also IThink She Was Married
 
Hello Astonian,

I have John hinton born 1815 in Droitwich, he had a few children, the eldest Harriet born in Elmbridge in 1838c, (my line) there were a few brothers, Jonh born 1846c in Hampton lovett,Samuel born 1847c and James born 1852c,Henry 1860c all in Hampton Lovett.Besides Henry, I have not traced the rest of the boys.

John Hinton 1815, also had a few brothers,Thomas 1812c, William 1819c(he seems to have moved to hampshire)James 1827c and Samuel 1833c.

Are you a member of Genes reunited? if you are, you could contact me, on there, and view my tree.My name is Carol, if you do a a search on the Hintons.
 
bertha hinton

Hi Sheronb
Many Thanks For Your Reply And I Wish You AND All A Happy New Year
Yes As I Have Told You My Grand Mother Was Bertha Victoria Hinton
And I Am Trying To Follow The Hinton Tree But I Got Abit Lost
I Have Not Been On Genes ReUnited Before , but Now I Most Certainly Will Some Time Today ,I Have Been Told That My Mother Had Step Brother
So I Was Wondering Whether Or Not That Bertha Had Been Married Before
She Married Ernest Jelf They All Lived Around The Village OF Old Cow Honeybourne As It Was Called Then , Bretonford
I bELIEVE jOHN sENIOR Lived There With The Family
Well Carol i Will Sign Off Now ND Get Back To You Soon As I cAN And I Will
Certainly Log Onto The Genes Reunited And Onto Your Tree
By The Way I PRACTICULY Live In Hampton Lovett
Just A Stone Throw Along The Lane Myself.
Best WISHES ,HAVE A NICE DAY . ASTONIAN ,
 
Was Berthas father William or John? When was he born, aprox? And was he born birmingham? I am trying to trace them.
 
Bertha Hinton

Hi Sheronb
I Have William Hinto On A Birth Certif; As Bertha,s Father
But I Have Not Got A Birth Date For William Only Stating He Was From Worc. I Have Mislaid Some Of My Paper Work On William And The Family I Am Trying To Recall From Memory At This Precise Time
I Keep Seeing The Wording Of High Park Rd And It Was Out Of B,ham.
If Any Of That Is Any Good To Work On At The Moment For You Carol
Astonian , ;;;;;;;;
 
Astonian, I don't have access to ancestry anymore, but have asked on the bbc forum for a look up, someone found this for 1891:


1891 England Census
about Bertha Hinton
Name: Bertha Hinton
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Walter
Gender: Female
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Smethwick
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Danks 38
Ann Hinton 71
Beatrice Hinton 7
Bertha Hinton 3
Edith Hinton 5
Ted Hinton 18
Walter Hinton 38


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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2363; Folio 85; Page 23; GSU roll: 6097473.

living at 61 grove st.

Is this the right census,is Walter William?
 
Bertha Hinton

Hi Sheronb
Many Thanks For Your Latest Report On Bertha I Will Be Keeping These Details For Future References And Of Family Members ,
What I Am Doing Is Regarding The Mother Of Bertha Is Because I Don.t Know Whom She Is I Was Only Given The Fathers Name As William ,not Walter, On The Birth Cert;
Have Been Given Some Date Of A Period Of The Marriage In The Quarter Of March The Year 1916 In Aston With The Ref;
Volume 6d Page975 Regarding A Marriage Between Ernest Jelf And Bertha Hinton And I Am Praying This Will Give Me Such Info; Regarding The Info; As To Whom Was Her Mother
I Believe I Will Travell To B,ham Reg Office For This Document
Which Will Be In The Middle Of Next Week The Father Was William Hinton May Be He Was,t Married Could It Been Elisbeth Danks ?
Ann Hinton Must Have Been His Mother What Do You Think ?
It Strange Theres No Mothers Name Hope This Marrige Lines
Tells Me Somthinki
Mom Said At The Time She Thought It Was A Special Licence They Got When Her Parents Got Wed Would There Still Would Have Had Witnesses As Soon I Can Pick Up On It I Will Contact You
Okay Carol Speak To You Soon Astonian ,;;;;
 
whoops ,just read your post, Berthas marriage cert, won't give her mothers name, only her father, unless you are lucky, and the mother is one of the witnesses, even then, it wont say mother, only her birth cert, will say who the mother is.
 
Bertha Hinton

Sheronb
I Am Hoping Agaist All Odds That The Marrige Lines Do Not Tell Me Them.my Only Hope Is That She May Have Been A Wittness To The Marriage The Birth Certi; Definately Did,nt State Her Mothers Name
Is That The Usal Practice Then ? Because Now It As Become A Puzzle To Me
Thanks Carol For Informing Me Of This
Astonian ,/////
 
I have never hear of a birth cert, not saying who the mother was!! That is a mystery!!! Maybe someone else had heard of that?? It is the full birth cert, you have, i presume??
 
If it was the full cert, and not the short version, i would equerry this, if you got it from Birminghm, give them a ring and ask.
 
Hi Astonian.

If as you say, the birth certificate for Bertha does not show her mothers name, then perhaps Bertha was a foundling. We have all seen birth certificates without a fathers name, but I for one have never seen a birth certificate without a mothers name.

Who was shown as registering the birth?

barrie
 
bertha hinton

hi barrie and sheronb
i am just replying to my silly mistake and to say you are both right in what you say regarding the mothers name on these certif;
first of all yes i just been looking at some of the birth certif; i have collected
and they do have there mothers name on them
secondly i was loking at the death certif; on her death certif;
it only gives her married name , and her husbands name
and not her mothers maiden name
and the date she died which was the 7TH august1953 at their home annd bussiness address WHICH WAS NO 1 NEW CANNAL ST DIGBETH WHICH WAS A TRANSPORT COFFEE SHOP WITH BOARDING TWENTY PEOPLE
IT USED TO BACK INTO TYPHOO TEA.S YARD AS WELL
BUT I CANNOT FIND OUT WHOM WAS HER MOTHER WAS
SORRY FOR ANY CONFUSION GUYS BEST WISHES ASTONIAN ,;;;
 
Bertha Hinton

Astonian, if you lok on the main site under "streets of Aston" Potters Hill, you will find mention of a Walter Hinton and a contract he signed in partnership with another man to purchase a business there in 1906.
 
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