I'm trying to sort out an entry in the 1861 Census relating to Heneage Street, Birmingham. 161 Heneage St is shown as a provision shop, 162 as a tobacco shop. Next in the list is Back House, then 133 tailor's shop followed by 165 provision shop. 166 seems to be a house occupied by a coal dealer. Then we get to "18 Court House" which appears to have multiple dwellings in it e.g. 1 is George Taylor and his family, 2 is Richard Ashley and his family, 3 is George Brown and his family, 5 is Thomas Gibbs and his family. I've looked at the map on another thread on this Forum and have found 166 Heneage Street. Next to it on the map is a group of buildings with no identification. Would 18 Court House have been a set of back-to-backs?
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Heneage Street, Birmingham
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pjmburns
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There is a thread for Heneage Street here. It includes several maps which show some of the courts although I don't know if court 18 is shown.
just looked at the 61 census and court 18 consists of 10 houses however this does not mean that they were back to back houses...my guess is the 10 houses were within the court however i could be wrong..will try to find a map to confirm one way or the other
lyn
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here is a map showing the 10 houses behind no 166 heneage st its next to court 25..although its not marked on the map as court 18 it has to be...as suspected they are not back to back houses as they do not line up with the houses in goodwin st..you may move the map around to survey the rest of the street...hope this helps
lyn
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You may well be right Lyn.The continuous 1880s map on the Scotland site is unfortunately not at present available, and Heneage St is on the edge of two sheets at that point, Be,ow i show the area around Heneage St between Willis and Godwin St on the two maps, regretably not at exactly the same scale. The court behind no 166 is the first court to the left of Godwin St . On the 1880s maps this is shown to be marked court 24, and court 18 is almost opposite
totally confused mike as your map shows court 18 behind number 112 but there are not 10 houses in that court..this 1861 census puts court 18 behind no 166 if you flip the census pages it has 10 houses...very odd
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Thank you for all the helpful advice. Having looked at the map on nls.co.uk and compared it to the 1861 Census entries, I've come to the conclusion that Court 18 was behind 166 Heneage Street. The map shows these buildings as 1/166 to 10/166. My conclusion is based on the fact that the Census goes from 165 to 166 and then to Court 18, House 1. It lists 10 houses so it would fit with the map. The one snag with that, of course is that the next court on that side of Heneage Street is shown on the map as Court 25 which would have been accessed up the side of 171. However, there are no Census entries for Court 25 and, in fact, Court 20 is shown on the Census as being next to 172 Heneage St. Of course all of that could be accounted for by the fact that the map I'm looking at was based on a 1949 survey - that's an 88 year gap during which time a lot could have happened, including bombing during WW2.