Great Russell Street

[brummy-lad]

Thanks to Lyn for correcting the location of these which I thought were from Guildford Street.

 

[Astoness]

glad we got that sorted john lol

lyn

 

[Dianad]

My mom, Florence Keats was born at 5 back of 96 Great Russell Street to David and Annie Keats. He was a metal polisher. They had many children, with names such as David, George and Annie

 

[brummy-lad]

My mom, Florence Keats was born at 5 back of 96 Great Russell Street to David and Annie Keats. He was a metal polisher. They had many children, with names such as David, George and Annie

I don't know if you have a map, but this is the house.

 

[Jayell]

I don't know if you have a map, but this is the house.

Hi John - would you be able to show Court 26 in Gt Russell Street on that map? My 2 x Gt.Grandparents lived there from about 1851 until after 1871. Fingers crossed!
Thanks Judy

 

[brummy-lad]

My mom, Florence Keats was born at 5 back of 96 Great Russell Street to David and Annie Keats. He was a metal polisher. They had many children, with names such as David, George and Annie

This is the only image I can find unfortunately.

 

[brummy-lad]

Hi John - would you be able to show Court 26 in Gt Russell Street on that map? My 2 x Gt.Grandparents lived there from about 1851 until after 1871. Fingers crossed!
Thanks Judy

Hi Judy,
I think I have located it but the numbering is very small, just need to check it against the census, can you give me a name for a look-up please.

 

[brummy-lad]

Hi John - would you be able to show Court 26 in Gt Russell Street on that map? My 2 x Gt.Grandparents lived there from about 1851 until after 1871. Fingers crossed!
Thanks Judy

Had to go to an 1890 map to find it, not showing on the 1950s map.

 

[Jayell]

The name is William Hanson or his sons George and Samuel.

 

[brummy-lad]

The name is William Hanson or his sons George and Samuel.

Yes, the images in post #171 are correct then.

 

[Jayell]

Yes, the images in post #171 are correct then.

Wonderful! Thank you John. It is great to see where the Court was. It looks as though Courts 26 and 27 were combined. I never knew exactly where it was before!! Much appreciated.
Judy

 

[Dianad]

This is the only image I can find unfortunately.

That's brilliant thankyou. I've been digging around as I've been given a box with my mom's birth certificate and marriage certificate and have addresses from which I can begin to piece some history together. Sadly mom died in 1985, but dad is still with us. Alive and kicking is how he'd describe himself!

 

[brummy-lad]

This post is in reply to a query by member Turner64. Hi Paul, I have attached 1890 and 1950s map, I'm not convinced that there was a back of 86, 2 house, No. 86 as you say was 'Justice Inn'. Looking at censuses for 1881, 1891 & 1901 there are no back houses mentioned, looking at the map the buildings behind No. 86 do not appear to be typical houses, unless it was a private arrangement with the pub landlord to rent part of the pub but in that case they would still have to appear on the census.
Is there a possibility (given the style of handwriting) that it is '36' and not '86' ?
Incidentally, there were numerous Hill families in Gt. Russell Street including another Joseph at 9 house Court 38 (1911) but his wife's name was Martha.

 

[Turner64]

This post is in reply to a query by member Turner64. Hi Paul, I have attached 1890 and 1950s map, I'm not convinced that there was a back of 86, 2 house, No. 86 as you say was 'Justice Inn'. Looking at censuses for 1881, 1891 & 1901 there are no back houses mentioned, looking at the map the buildings behind No. 86 do not appear to be typical houses, unless it was a private arrangement with the pub landlord to rent part of the pub but in that case they would still have to appear on the census.
Is there a possibility (given the style of handwriting) that it is '36' and not '86' ?
Incidentally, there were numerous Hill families in Gt. Russell Street including another Joseph at 9 house Court 38 (1911) but his wife's name was Martha.

Hi John, thank you for the maps. No the baptism record is very clearly “ back of 86 2 house” and this Joesph Hill was married to Mary Ann Hill
Paul

 

[brummy-lad]

Hi John, thank you for the maps. No the baptism record is very clearly “ back of 86 2 house” and this Joesph Hill was married to Mary Ann Hill
Paul

It's difficult to imagine 2 houses at the back of Justice Inn unless they were actually part of the pub, perhaps other members can throw some light on this.

 

[Turner64]

It's difficult to imagine 2 houses at the back of Justice Inn unless they were actually part of the pub, perhaps other members can throw some light on this.

I agree it’s difficult to imagine. I’ve sat staring at the map trying to work out any computations that might possibly fit the record.

 

[Astoness]

could i ask what year the above baptism was...just wondered if there was a renumbering of the street

lyn

 

[mikejee]

Justice Inn was listed as at no 86 back to at least 1867

 

[brummy-lad]

An aerial view of Justice Inn from 1948, there certainly seems to be more buildings at the back than what are showing on the map.

 

[Turner64]

could i ask what year the above baptism was...just wondered if there was a renumbering of the street

could i ask what year the above baptism was...just wondered if there was a renumbering of the street

lyn

Hi Lyn, yes it was 17th November 1902.
Paul

 

[Turner64]

An aerial view of Justice Inn from 1948, there certainly seems to be more buildings at the back than what are showing on the map.

It certainly does.

 

[Turner64]

It certainly does.

It seems to me that 86/2 must have been one of those two unknown buildings. It could be that for whatever reason the family were not at that address very long, and so missed the census. The buildings themselves must have then been demolished at some point.

 

[brummy-lad]

I agree Paul, the only thing I don't understand is why those back houses don't show on any censuses, unless they were part of the Justice Inn and occupants were included in that list of residents. It's good that you have access to several good quality images of the Justice Inn though.

 

[Derek.R.Walker]

This post is in reply to a query by member Turner64. Hi Paul, I have attached 1890 and 1950s map, I'm not convinced that there was a back of 86, 2 house, No. 86 as you say was 'Justice Inn'. Looking at censuses for 1881, 1891 & 1901 there are no back houses mentioned, looking at the map the buildings behind No. 86 do not appear to be typical houses, unless it was a private arrangement with the pub landlord to rent part of the pub but in that case they would still have to appear on the census.
Is there a possibility (given the style of handwriting) that it is '36' and not '86' ?
Incidentally, there were numerous Hill families in Gt. Russell Street including another Joseph at 9 house Court 38 (1911) but his wife's name was Martha.

Hi brummy - lad
I cant remember if I have contributed to your previous exchanges in relation to the above, but I thought I would add my 2 penneth. My wife who sadly passed away just 2 years ago lived at 4 back of 193 in Great Russel Street and we met at our place of work which was William Newman and Sons just along the road in Hospital Street. We moved to Newquay in Cornwall in 1978, so due to a combination of age and failing memory I am unable to contribute regularly but I still look forward to catch up with the latest contributions. Hope the content might be of interest, my wife was a Griffiths father was Jim mother Nell and sister Ellen.

 

[brummy-lad]

Hi Derek, I’m so sorry to hear of your loss, responses to any thread are always welcome, it’s amazing how many times these are found to be useful, if not now they may be at some future date, so keep them coming when you are able.

 

[Astoness]

hi derek there are lot of old photos on the thread of gt russell st some show the back houses which you may recognise

lyn

 

[Derek.R.Walker]

hi derek there are lot of old photos on the thread of gt russell st some show the back houses which you may recognise

lyn

A message which I formulated some time ago and which was in response to your post 695204 which was probably dated around August 2020, some how vanished into the ether. Anyway by chance I came across the message in my photos and this related to the football photos I had sent previously and you asked if I had any idea of the dates because you had a friend who also worked at William Newman between 1969 and 2005. The gist of the content is as follows:-

It's a little bit difficult to put any precise date on the footballing photos but I will do my best. My working life at William Newman and sons started in1955 (age15) as a commercial trainee and I completed 20 years service at the time of leaving in 1975, so your friend and I would have been there at the same time 1969 to 1975 at my time of leaving , a period of about 6 years. You will see from those dates that at the time your friend started I would have been age 29 my footballing career having come to an abrupt end due to injury. Despite this I played for St Andrews Athletic and Birmingham City Colts and although I was captain of Aston Boys during my school years I was never involved in Villa Trials which was a disappointment having lived most of my formative years in Aston. If you look at image 0084 that's me receiving the cup and I think I would have been around 20 the year being around 1960, likewise images 0082/3. It therefor looks that both the football and cricketing Photos are a few years before your friend joined the company. I take it Lyn that you had some connections with Aston, I go back a long time for example when the picture house was called the Astoria before it became the Crossroads Studio. Happy days, sorry I was unable to be a bit more informative.
Derek

 

[Vivienne14]

Two threads about Great Russell Street have been merged into this one. There may be earlier unseen posts.