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I do hope they manage to save it and make it into a useful building.
 
Looks like a step forward David. Hope restoration goes to plan. Can't make out what the longer term plan will be, but all the same at least it looks like it will be restored. Viv
 
As seen today
 

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Structurally it looks do-able to my untrained eye, but would take lots of cash and then what do you get ? a somethinglikeitusedtobe.
Great pics tho - thank you
 
Hi Dave,

I am looking to write a feature on Great Barr Hall for a heritage blog (Birmingham Conversation Trust). I have been looking to visit the site, but I have heard it is now really hard to get close to the Hall with security and trespassing etc.. I wondered if you would give me your permission to use your photos, they are great? Many Thanks
 
Hi Dave,

I am looking to write a feature on Great Barr Hall for a heritage blog (Birmingham Conversation Trust). I have been looking to visit the site, but I have heard it is now really hard to get close to the Hall with security and trespassing etc.. I wondered if you would give me your permission to use your photos, they are great? Many Thanks

Petal was only thinking about the Hall yesterday and today, time for a visit, use any of my pics as you wish Dave
 
​Great Barr Hall today, 6th Nov 2014 looks bleak
 

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The building is a Grade 2 with star (Grade 2*) making it very difficult for the current owners to obtain a 'listed building consent' to demolish it. The building's Grade 2 with the added star status is perhaps more 'fanciful' than a mere Grade 2 which is what it should be, but there it is. It would seem the building owners are waiting for English Heritage to stump up a sizable grant to aid the rebuilding costs. The catch 22 for the building owners is the English Heritage grants generally come with a proviso requirement: a proviso of some degree for public admission to the rebuilt building, given that tax payers money have contributed to its restoration. The landed aristocracy get around this proviso by having their tax-funded homes open to the public for one or two days a year, much to their grovelling annoyance.

Other fanciful ideas that are banded & mooted about are the ideas for the eventual use of the building once rebuilt. The first step is to have the building re-graded to a mere Grade 2 listing (which is what it should be) and the listing limited to the front facia of the building: the remaining parts of the building's curtilage have no real merit for retention. This re-grading will aid (in various ways) all those interested parties that desire the realistic preservation to some (not all) of the building at least.

Sadly, the demise of this building falls directly towards Walsall Council elected official & officers (and over many years) that had a legal duty to protect, but greed and avarice for the building's demesne (and pool) and the 57 luxury dwellings to be built, took precedence over their public trust integrity. In summary, Great Barr Hall will have a future but not the future many people envision...the many people with sans money invested in this enterprise.
 
thanks for the updated photos dave...shame to see the hall in such a state...

lyn
 
​Great Barr Hall today 30th April 2015, and a notice do not know how old it is
 

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What is the latest on Great Barr Hall.I have been told its Status has been down graded?
Regards
John HUGHES
 
This was the replacement for Nether Hall/House. This 1830 drawing shows the house before it was altered in the 1840s. Viv.

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GREAT BARR HALL: Lady Mildred Anne Bateman and Scott

Lady Mildred Anne Bateman and Scott was the last of the” Scott family” to occupy GREAT BARR HALL, and she died there in 1909.

She was born in Carmarthen in 1828 and was the eldest daughter of Sir W Hartopp of Four Oaks Hall. She married Sir Francis Edward Scott (3rd Baronet) in 1854. In the marriage with Sir Francis Scott there were two sons and three daughters. Both sons and one daughter died before her. Sir Francis Scott died at the age of 39 in 1863, as did her own father. She was remarried in 1868 to Sir Edward Packenham Alderson, who in turn died in 1876 at the age of 48, and then she remained a widow.

In 1909 The Walsall Advertiser gives her a long obituary and describes her as “not only a great personality, but by her commanding, yet nevertheless charming ways, she won the respect and esteem of all that were privileged to come in contact with her. In the Great Barr district she was very much beloved, and will be missed in a variety of ways....She was a great benefactress...

...Lady Scott was never so happy as when dispensing hospitality. Her one delight was to have plenty of company around her, and more charming a hostess could not be found. Many of the leading men of the present and past years have been guests at Great Barr Hall.

...She took a keen interest in political and social life not only in the county of Stafford, but also in the town of Birmingham. She was a staunch Conservative, and not only gave her support to the party, but actively canvassed in several campaigns.”

In February 1863 Sir Francis was forced to leave Great Barr Hall due to impaired health. The Estate of 500 acres was up for sale and would continue for 6 months, and if not sold would be Let or dismantled. The Sale Price was £50,000. Sir Francis in fact died at St Leonard’s-on-Sea in the November of that year.

In the year or her remarriage, 1868, there is a further advert for the Hall to be Let, and a sale of furniture in 1869. In 1873 it was the address of JR Carpenter. It could well be that Lady Scott lived in London until after the death of her second husband in 1876 as there is a record in the Globe personal and court notes that in May 1877 she had left for Great Barr Hall. Her address in the 1881 census is given as Elton Square in London, but in 1891 she is at Great Barr Hall as widow with her sister and about thirteen sevants.

In her will Lady Scott directed the her diamond necklace, the "Scott necklace,” should be sold and the proceeds held upon trust to keep in order the Scott family vault in Great Barr Church in perpetuity, and the surplus to be used for the repair of the Church, or should the trust fail, then the proceeds to be held on trust for the Luckocks Dole, Cox's Dole, and Bromwich Charity.

In October 1911, by order of the trustees of the will of the late Sir Arthur Douglas Scott (died 1884) a portion of the Great Barr Hall Estate, of some 1191 acres, together with the Mansion were put up for sale. The West Bromwich Board of Guardians caused surprise when they purchased the estate and Hall for £28,000. In December it was stated that the Local Government Board had sanctioned a loan of £24,500 for the cost of Great Barr Hall Estate, the period of payment being 55 years and at a rate of 3.5? Per cent.
 
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