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Francis John Alum Rock Road

MWS said:
He seems to be listed as an electroplate worker.

Under employer there doesn't appear to be a company name, he just appears to be listed as Employer.
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mark where is he living in 1921..i cant seem to find him

lyn
 
I found a Laura Francis (presumably is first wife) living in Smethwick but can't read it with no sub to FMP.
Also 2 John Francis so not sure which is him.
 
its the 2nd one john wife laura..looking at that stanley and frank must have travelled to work in birmingham

lyn
 
So John was retired? at the age of 40. Does that just mean retired from that occupation? Since in 1939 he seems to be working. Electro plate wire worker but he was the employer.
 
pjmburns said:
So John was retired? at the age of 40. Does that just mean retired from that occupation? Since in 1939 he seems to be working. Electro plate wire worker but he was the employer.
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i noticed that on the 21 jan...john retired but an employer 40 is young to be retired but as you say he is back working on the 39
 
Thankyou Janice, I too couldnt find him registered as a business, thought it was Deakin and Francis BHAM but contacted them a while back and they said no, but have something on his first wife gone back to 1782 Gnosall, her grandfather William Humpage. Back to John, you spoke of his war record, you dont have a link do you.
 
pjmburns said:
So John was retired? at the age of 40. Does that just mean retired from that occupation? Since in 1939 he seems to be working. Electro plate wire worker but he was the employer.
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ahh, well he also had a Bookie Job?...he used a pub on Hagley Rd collecting bets from locals back of where he lived, he also used the Bartons Arms other side of Brum, was that Peaky Blinders era?...he also taught my Dad tick tack cus he also had a board on the race courses..all this very sketchy though.
 
COMPRESSORMAN said:
Thankyou Janice, I too couldnt find him registered as a business, thought it was Deakin and Francis BHAM but contacted them a while back and they said no, but have something on his first wife gone back to 1782 Gnosall, her grandfather William Humpage. Back to John, you spoke of his war record, you dont have a link do you.
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i think janice must have found his war records on ancestry..no doubt she will confirm this but if so you will need to subscribe to view and save the records

lyn
 
I found it on Ancestry but it will also be on Forces War Records (I paid for 1 month on there a while back).
You will also find medal cards etc.
Army number 288731
RASC (MT) That is Royal Army Service Corps and Motor Transport section
There are 31 pages although some contain no info and some are duplicates.
 
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1916 Army records have his occupation ,Electro plate worker.

address 118 Poplar road Edgbaston.

wife Laura Mary, children,
Frank Norman, born Lee Bank road,
Stanley born Brighton Road, Ladywood
Norman born Poplar road.

He was discharged in 1919 disability , Manic Depressive,Psychosis.
He was granted an Army pension in 1924.

He appears to have been in trouble a few times ,for incidents like being in improper dress and being insolent to military police.
 
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Johns children,

Frank Norman married Rose Rea in 1923 gave father As john Francis Electro plate worker.
Gordon married Margaret Wooton in 1937
Stanley married Florence Rose Coorall in 1934, address 118 Poplar road father John Francis, Silversmith.
 
Alberta said:
1916 Army records have his occupation ,Electro plate worker.

address 118 Poplar road Edgbaston.

wife Laura Mary, children,
Frank Norman, born Lee Bank road,
Stanley born Brighton Road, Ladywood
Norman born Poplar road.

He was discharged in 1919 disability , Manic Depressive,Psychosis.
He was granted an Army pension in 1924.

He appears to have been in trouble a few times ,for incidents like being in improper dress and being insolent to military police.
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Thankyou for all this, its been extremely handy, his army records are no surprise as many even now leaving the forces have many mental problems, my uncle in same war was Gassed and ended up in a mental hospital in Erdington, Highcroft and died there.
 
COMPRESSORMAN said:
Thankyou for all this, its been extremely handy, his army records are no surprise as many even now leaving the forces have many mental problems, my uncle in same war was Gassed and ended up in a mental hospital in Erdington, Highcroft and died there.
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yes all very sad..so many men were badly scared mentally and of course in those days there was not the mental health support that we have today

lyn
 
My maternal grandfather took his own life in 1942 because the war was bringing back memories of his time in WW1.
As Lyn says very sad what soldiers went through in WW1.
 
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