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Floodgate Street

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My Great Aunt was born at 'back of 88 Floodgate St' in 1881. Would anyone have any images, or know where I might find some, of Floodgate St at around that time?
 
A little late, but map c 1888 shows where no 88 floodgate st was in red
 

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1820 was before photographs were available. Have moved this to the floodgate Street thread. Below is a map c1889, showing no 60 .

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The two maps (posts 3 and 5) seem the same: they have the same date. It is curious how both 60 and 88 whilst even numbers are on opposite sides of the street. I have seen it mentioned that this kind of irregularity - by present standards - ws not uncommon. Was there a time or actual date when the city decided on the more well known pattern of numbering premises came about?
 
Early on most street numbering seems to have been consecutive - 1,2,3,4,5..., up one side and then down the other. Later , particularly around the early 1880s, but also some earlier and some later, the numbering was changed to odd one side, even the other. Floodgate st is, as far as I know, still consecutive. At least it is on the c1950 map.
 
Hello, I wonder if you could point out where 12 Floodgate Place may have been, on the map please? My ancestors, the Lumleys, lived there according to the 1911 census. Many thanks Sarah
 
This is from 1889. Spring Gardens, P.H. appears to be no. 14, so I think no. 12 is the one marked with a pink dot...

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Can anyone confirm the dates the Court houses on Floodgate street were built please and if the homes were connected in anyway to the businesses or privately rented. My Brooks(es) ancestor Joseph Brookes lived there throughout the 60 census years. Court 5 no 9 house.
Also please does anyone know the date the railway viaduct was built there?
Many thanks
Nikki
 
The first mention in the newspapers I can see of the viaduct is Feb 1847, not sure if it's talking about planning or completion.

The viaduct is not on the 1839 map and the buildings about where it is don't look the same, so I'd guess the court would have been built after the viaduct.
 

Floodgate St

My Great Aunt was born at 'back of 88 Floodgate St' in 1881. Would anyone have any images, or know where I might find some, of Floodgate St at around that time?
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A Floodgate Street exists on this thread:
 
MWS said:
The first mention in the newspapers I can see of the viaduct is Feb 1847, not sure if it's talking about planning or completion.

The viaduct is not on the 1839 map and the buildings about where it is don't look the same, so I'd guess the court would have been built after the viaduct.
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MWS said:
The first mention in the newspapers I can see of the viaduct is Feb 1847, not sure if it's talking about planning or completion.

The viaduct is not on the 1839 map and the buildings about where it is don't look the same, so I'd guess the court would have been built after the viaduct.
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Hi many thanks. the court was definitely present in 1841 so I am sure the family would have had a few noisy years then During the building work.
thanks for the reply.
Nikki
 
From "History of the GWR Vol1" by E.T,McDermot. The works were started by Messrs Peto & Betts in early 1847, In August 1849 Brunel reported that, though progress was very slow, the viaduct into Birmingham had been completed
 
In Carl Chinn book Peaky Blinders The Real Story he mentions the following. PC Dyson managed to drag his prisoner into the butchers shop of Mr Swadkins. Mr Swadkins stood in the doorway with his cleaver. This was in 1890. Census records 1881 show Joseph Swadkins butcher living 3 Court 5 house Floodgate a butcher. In 1891 he then living 11 Court 10 Warwick Street,Deritend. He married my Great Grandmother Harriet Else nee Brightman. Any ideas to present location of mentions premises.
 
The cencus adress shows where the person was at that date. Alsp "butcher" does not mean he is the owner of a shop, but merely that his trade was a butcher. Kellys directories show Edwin Swadkins as a butcher having a shop at 152 Gooch St. for period of at least 1880 till. 1892, and also one at
407 Stratford Road from at least 1888 till 1892. A Frederick Swadkins, butcher, had a shop at 287 Coventry Road from at least 1888 till 1892, and there is another listing of two Frederick Swadkins, butcher, ( separately listed so likely to be a different person), at 101 Longmore Street and at 103 Villa Road, and a Walter Swadkins , butcher at 28 Bristol Road, all in 1888. . In 1892 the re was also a Frdericj Swadkins butcher at 168 High St , Aston. So it seems that the Swadkins were a family of butchers
 
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