Sue Watson
Brummie babby
Looking for any information on Emily Josephine Elder born in Lambeth 1847 (parents Joseph Elder and Jane Howard Jones). On census 1861 aged 13 but disappeared by 1871. Any information appreciated.
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Elder Emily Josephine
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MWS
from Bham
She appears to be listed as the wife (no marriage?) of a John Canttill Hall in Bham on the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses, though he is incorrectly listed as James in 1881. In 1911 she is a widow with her daughter.
There are 2 Hall/Elder children - Minnie Maria and William John - registered with corresponding baptisms, though William John appears to be listed as William Albert on the baptism.
Emily Josephine's death appears to be registered (as Hall) Dec qtr 1911 Bham.
There is another son - Edward - with them in 1881. No registration, so perhaps Emily's son, as is Thomas who is with his grandmother maybe?
There are 2 Hall/Elder children - Minnie Maria and William John - registered with corresponding baptisms, though William John appears to be listed as William Albert on the baptism.
Emily Josephine's death appears to be registered (as Hall) Dec qtr 1911 Bham.
There is another son - Edward - with them in 1881. No registration, so perhaps Emily's son, as is Thomas who is with his grandmother maybe?
Sue Watson
Brummie babby
Thank you so much for your reply. Emily is my great great grandmother and I have been looking for ages to see what happened to her. I think she had Thomas in about 1969 (presumably illegitimate) and he lived with his grandparents. She seemed to disappear after the 1861 census, and not on the 1871 census. I thought she may have changed her name but didn't know where to start. I will look into all the information you have sent - I am so grateful. How did you manage to find out all this?
Sue Watson
Brummie babby
I also found a criminal record for an Emily Elder dated 14 April 1871 at Birmingham court, 7 years imprisonment for simple larceny. I haven't been able to verify this is the same Emily Elder - any ideas how I could do this.
MWS
from Bham
As her forenames are not that common tried the easiest thing first, searching for a death/marriage for an Emily Josephine in case surname was misspelt. Nothing from that so tried searching for children in the Bham area with mmn Elder. Not always possible but luckily this time got a couple of results and then it was just a case of tracking them down and seeing who the mothers were. Luckily there weren't that many and one of them was Emily and she matched.
In regards the criminal offence, there are no other Emily Elders in the area and there's only one other birth reg. for one so it seems possible that it's her. There are a couple of mentions in the newspapers, one mentions an address of Heath Mill Lane in 1871 and another says she can only read and write imperfectly which, as her mother is listed as a teacher of music, I find a little surprising. Though I may be assuming that that was a bit more formal than it actually was.
ive just had a look at that record...shame it does not give her age but i would also lean towards it is your emily
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Sue Watson
Brummie babby
Sue Watson
Brummie babby
That's great. The dates seem to tie in if she was in prison from 1871-1878, then met John Hall just after so by 1881 on the census as Emily Hall. I would never have found this - thank you so much
