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duddeston and ashted maps

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just been given these maps of the area and thought that mike and those who come from round there may find interesting...the names of all the pubs are marked out as well..should be readable if you click on them 3 times to enlarge...i hope..:rolleyes:

duddeston map...
 
Interesting maps Lyn I notice a lot of pubs highlighted but not all, I wonder if these are issued to pinpoint the pubs for deliveries by a certain brewery I think Ansells. Dek
 
Dek

I don't think breweries are the criteria for marking these pubs out, because they are a mixed bunch between Ansell's & M&B. Though as this is an early map and predates the building of the washing baths on the corner of Francis St & Willis St so perhaps they were all owned by a different brewery then?

Phil
 
Phil said:
Dek

I don't think breweries are the criteria for marking these pubs out, because they are a mixed bunch between Ansell's & M&B. Though as this is an early map and predates the building of the washing baths on the corner of Francis St & Willis St so perhaps they were all owned by a different brewer

Phil
Click to expand...

Just a thought Phil as the one that stood out for me to be missing was The Junction. Dek
 
Phil
The date of the survey of the map doesn't necessarily have a lot of bearing on the date it was used. The Inland revenue maps (1:500) used for valuation purposes that are at the national archives are all (for Brum) those surveyed in c 1889, though the valuation was done around 1918. Sometimes some changes were added. but these were not always complete. The edition of this map would seem to be the 1917 version (with some levelling changes for heights slightly 1921r. This version is the same as that used by Alan Godfrey in his map Birmingham north "dated " 1913, though alan's seems tp have been taken from the coloured edition, where some buildings appear shaded, whereas this seems to be from the b;ack & white wersion, where they are in white, with just outlines. This map would probably have been the one available fro at least 10 years , possibly even 20 years, though i have no data on that. So it probably could have been made with the pub additions any time after 1921 till WW2.
mike
 
Mike

As I said I was going by the fact that the public washing baths on the corner of Francis St & Willis st were not evident on the map and so the map must have been pre 1924 when they opened.

It is strange that someone would go to the bother of marking some of the pubs, but not all. Dek suggested it might be because they were on the delivery run of one particular brewery, but as I said it was a mixed bag some M&B and some Ansell's. I did note that some off sales (outdoors) had been blocked in as well but not named. I suppose there could be a thousand reasons why the pubs had been singled out, they might even have been pubs that the owner of the map had used. A chap after my own heart.

Phil
 
Great Pub maps Lynn... glad you posted them, my Dad played the piano in many of them over the years we lived in Nechells.
 
Has anyone any knowledge of a Ryland St, Deritend, Aston 1861 Census?
Previously Census address is Conybere St - I cannot see it on my old A-Z's

Tried to load up census sheet but Coppermine will not open - Server says cannot find it?

Cheers

Brian
 
Brian...Not sure if this will help, but if you go to www.old-maps.co.uk and put ryland street in the search box, scroll down the list that comes up and click on an address ( I picked the Unitarian new meeting Church,) then on the right hand side showing the little maps scroll down to the 3rd 1890 map and click, when its loaded click Enhanced Zoom. Once in Enhanced Zoom if you click the little symbol at the end of the row under the picture, it will give you a full page view which you can zoom and move about..click esc to exit...hope this is what you were looking for...if not let us know..

EDIT...I may have got the wrong end of the stick here ?
 
Brian
Coppermine is down for a period. However. Ryland St was renamed Stanhope st between 1880 & 1882. If you give me the name of the person, I'll try and work out where the house was .
Mike
 
Brian
I have no detailed map showing Ryland St , but have extrapolated back using the census & directories Have marked on a c1889 map below. As I read the census, it says Elizabeth was in court behind no 1 Ryland St. There seems to have been few houses in Ryland st in 1861. The numbering was consecutive from Darwin St on the north west side, with 1 to about 17 between Darwin St and Leopold St. there are only two houses in the court (which in 1889 would be considered in darwin St), so it is reasonable to think that they are the two houses in red . All other houses backing onto that court seem to be through buildings.
Hope that is useful
mike
mapc1889topstanhopestwasrylandstshowingcourtbehindno1Rylandst.jpg
 
Cheers Mike,

Looking at the small scale 1866 map and my old 1964 A-Z, seems the are has lost a few streets in the rebuilding.
Census seems to say 1 room dwelling? presumably scullery, etc didn't count as a room?
Bit of tight squeeze for 3 sisters!

Brian
 
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