Drayton Cecil

[Passertby]

Trying to find information on my grt uncle, Cesil Drayton.

I have very little to go on which will make this almost impossible but here goes.

Cecil Drayton b. 1896 High Street, Halesowen, Worcestershire.
Father Campbell S Drayton
Cesil moved to Birmingham (where?)
Worked at the Longbridge plant. (when?)
Wife’s name Mable (who?)
There is talk of him emigrating to Australia (did he?)

There was an obit. Put in a newspaper here in England for a Cesil Drayton, formally of England, information supplied by someone in Australia (don’t know when this was though)

Do you think I’m fighting a losing battle with so little information?

 

[Pomgolian]

This looks like his Father's marriage, not sure who to though as there was a Mary Jane Evens and a Sarah Ellen Wilton
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Dec 1891 [/SIZE]
Surname ..First name(s).... District ..Vol Page
Drayton Campbell Simmons Sheffield 9c 720

This could be Cecil's, looks like Mable was the wifes second name, but the one she used.
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Sep 1922 [/SIZE]
Surname First name spouse .... District ..Vol Page
DRAYTON Cecil F.... Kilby....... Gainsbro' 7a1871
KILBY Olive M........ Drayton.... Gainsbr' 7a1871
May be his birth reg...
Births Jun 1896
Drayton Cecil Stourbridge 6c142

 

[Pomgolian]

This looks like some of the family in 1881 census (although the ages of the parents seem to indicate this was Campbell's parents and family)
Household:

Campbell DRAYTON Head M Male 41 Holme, Lincoln, England Ironstone Miner
Sarah Elizabeth DRAYTON Wife M Female 38 Winteringham, Lincoln, England
Fred. W. DRAYTON Son Male 12 Scunthorpe, Lincoln, England
John DRAYTON Son Male 10 Scunthorpe, Lincoln, England
Laura Ann DRAYTON Daur Female 7 Scunthorpe, Lincoln, England
Albert DRAYTON Son Male 3 Ashby Vill, Lincoln, England
James Lewis DRAYTON Son Male 2 Ashby Vill, Lincoln, England
Harry DRAYTON Son Male 1 Ashby Vill, Lincoln, England

Dwelling Woodhouse Census PlaceAshby, Lincoln, England

 

[Shera]

pom, i had looked at that olive m kilby marriage but when i looked for the birth to find out what the m stood for there were olive margaretta, olive marion and 2 olive mays but no olive mabel so im not sure that is the right marriage. couldnt find anything to match at all

maybe he got married in australia!

 

[Pomgolian]

I also found this marriage...
Again this maybe Campbell from 1881 remarrying as I also found a Death for Sarah Elizabeth of the right age and right place.
Husband

CAMPBELL DRAYTON

Marriage: 01 NOV 1886 Saint Mary Le Wigford, Lincoln, Lincoln, England

Wife

MARY APPLEYARD Marriage: 01 NOV 1886 Saint Mary Le Wigford, Lincoln, Lincoln, England
[SIZE=+1]Deaths Jun 1886 [/SIZE]
Drayton Sarah Elizabeth 42 Glanford B. 7a420

Shara Mable could have been a 'Nick Name' for one of them... maybe

 

[smtr]

1901 Census
Campbell Simeon Drayton - Watch, Clock & Jewellery repairer - Employer
B1849 Holme, Lincolnshire
Mary Jane Drayton - Wife - B1863 Leeds, Yorkshire
James Lewis Drayton - Son - B1879 Ashley, Lincolnshire - watch,clock & jewellery repairer - Journeyman
Charlotte Millicent Drayton - Daughter - B1885 Ashley, Lincolnshire
Arthur Harold C Drayton - Son - B1893 Halesowen
Ernest Drayton - Son - B1894 Halesowen
Cecil Drayton - Son - B1896 Halesowen
Dorothea Mary Drayton - Daughter - B1899 Halesowen

All Living at High Street, Halesowen

Marriage (2nd?) for Campbell Simmons Drayton and Mary Jane Evans
1891 Sheffield 9c 720 OND quarter

Suzanne

 

[Passertby]

Thanks for looking but i have everything on Campbell Simeon Drayton
1st wife
Sarah Elizabeth Wadd m. 07 Jul 1864 Frodingham, Lincolnshire
Sarah Elizabeth d. Jun 1886 Ashby-Ville, Lincolnshire
They had 10 children
2nd wife
Mary Appleyard m. 01 Nov 1886 St. Mary Le Wigford Church, Lincoln
Don’t know what happened to Mary, can find no death for her at all, I suspect that they just parted and Campbell remarried. They didn't have any children, I think this was a marriage of convenience, Campbell was on his own with 10 children.
3rd wife
Mary Jane Evans m. 25 Dec 1891 Pitsmoor, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Just after this marriage Campbell moved his family to Halesowen.
They had 7 children, 1 being the Cecil Drayton I’m looking for.

This could be Cecil's, looks like Mable was the wifes second name, but the one she used.
[SIZE=+1]Marriages Sep 1922 [/SIZE]
Surname First name spouse .... District ..Vol Page
DRAYTON Cecil F.... Kilby....... Gainsbro' 7a1871
KILBY Olive M........ Drayton.... Gainsbr' 7a1871

This is Cecil Frith Drayton, a distant relation but not the one i'm looking for.

Births Jun 1896
Drayton Cecil Stourbridge 6c142

This is the birth of the Cesil i'm looking for.

 

[Passertby]

Inquest

This is an inquest report for 1 of Cesil's brothers. just thought i'd add it for interest.

MIDLAND CHRONICLE & THE FREE PRESS
Friday April 16, 1915
Motor Lorry Fatality
An inquest was held at the Law Courts, West Bromwich, on Friday last, relative to the death of Ernest Drayton (21), of Hayward's Forge, Halesowen, a grocers assistant, who met his death through being knocked down by a steam lorry on the previous Wednesday.
Campbell Simeon Drayton, father of the deceased, said the latter had been employed for sometime at Messrs, Mason’s shop, Oldbury. On Wednesday the 7th inst. Witness heard that his son had met with an accident and had been taken to the West Bromwich and district Hospital. He went to the institution to see the boy and found that he was unconscious and unable to speak. The son died about twenty minuets after his father’s arrival.
Mary Cooksey, 14, Beresford Road, Oldbury, gave evidence to the effect that at 1-20 p.m. on Wednesday (7th) she was walking from Oldbury in the direction of Birmingham when she saw a motor lorry proceeding along the road in the direction of Oldbury. It was nearing the Beresford Road when a cyclist was passing. There was a tramline loop at this point, and the cyclist skidded and slipped under the lorry, which drew up quickly, and the driver jumped off. Witness hurried to the spot where the cyclist lay. He said “Oh my head” and asked for some water. After drinking the water he told the witness that no one was to blame and that he skidded.
A Juryman: I should like to know what was the state of the road - Witness: Very bad.
Thomas Wilson driver of the lorry, gave evidence to the effect that the cyclist overtook the lorry, and before he could pull up the young man had skidded beneath his machine.
Dr. H.G. Parker, house surgeon at the West Bromwich and District Hospital, stated that death was due to shock following on the injuries.
The jury returned a verdict of “Accidental death”, and entirely exonerated the driver of the lorry from blame.

 

[Wendy]

Passertby,can I ask where you got the information from. I know there was an inquest when my Mom's brother drowned at West Bromwich I would love to get this info.

 

[sospiri]

Just for the record, there are only these three C.Drayton entries for sailings from the UK to Australia between 1890 and 1960:-

DRAYTON C - D.O.B. 1932 - M - 1948 - London to Sydney
DRAYTON C H W - D.O.B. 1928 - M - 1960 - London to Melbourne
DRAYTON C N - D.O.B. 1957 - M - 1960 - London to Melbourne

Maurice

 

[Passertby]

Hi Wendy,

If I remember rightly I rang the local main library for that area, can’t remember which one it was, it was a couple of years ago now and having not long moved I can’t find anything.

I spoke to the assistant there and told her I was looking for an inquest report in newspapers for Ernest Drayton who was killed in the first half of April of 1915 in Halesowen. She said she would look for me and also suggested which papers they might be in. I paid an initial fee, which wouldn’t have been much, I’m a tight…..

She found it in the MIDLAND CHRONICLE & THE FREE PRESS and sent me the information.

As you can see, the accident didn’t even happen in Halesowen but the assistant found it.

Ring them and give them as much information as you can and if it’s there they’ll find it.

 

[Passertby]

Just for the record, there are only these three C.Drayton entries for sailings from the UK to Australia between 1890 and 1960:-

DRAYTON C - D.O.B. 1932 - M - 1948 - London to Sydney
DRAYTON C H W - D.O.B. 1928 - M - 1960 - London to Melbourne
DRAYTON C N - D.O.B. 1957 - M - 1960 - London to Melbourne

Maurice

Thanks for that Maurice,

hmmm... none of those are him, my family do like to play hide-n-seek and if they don't let me find them soon, i'm not playin anymore.

I'm really stuck on this fella, I have everything on the second batch of kids even the ones who went to Canada and changed their names.

But CESIL...........:angry2:

 

[sospiri]

Looks like he was still living in the Stourbridge area in 1911. This from a search:-

DRAYTON CECIL M 1896 15 Stourbridge Worcestershire

but I can't find him on the Bimingham Electoral Rolls 1912 - 1950

Maurice

 

[Passertby]

Thanks Maurice,

The 1911 census is the last time I have any documented trace of him. My aunties, His neice's tell me he worked at longbridge and that he came over to an address they lived at in Clun, Shropshire to visit his brother Arthur, which would have been sometime after 1933 as my father, Arthur's son, was the first child born at that particular address.:explode:

My aunties are the ones that told me his wife's name was Mable, wether thats right is another question

Terry

 

[sospiri]

Terry,

You've probably done this already, but assuming that your statement that he was still alive in 1933 was correct, then I have checked all of the DRAYTON deaths on the GRO Index from 1933 until 2005 and his death is definitely not there. Neither does there appear to be the death of a spouse of suitable age, unless there was a big discrepancy in their ages.

I did come across your Cecil Frith DRAYTON, born 24 March 1900, death registered at Gainsborough 3 Qtr 1977 Vol 7 Page 1302.

There's also an Albert Cecil DRAYTON, born 4 April 1894, death registered at Lambeth 2 Qtr 1982 Vol 14 Page 0029. In the same year/quarter at Brentwood the death was registered of a Charlotte Mabel J. DRAYTON, born 30 March 1898. And in the following quarter the death of a Mabel Dorothy DRAYTON, born 22 September 1890, at Ely Vol 9 Page 0803.

I've also checked the Scottish deaths for a Cecil DRAYTON death between 1933 and 2006 - result zilch!

Personally I'm inclined to think that there may be something in the story that he went to Australia. In addition to the three departures I have listed in my earlier posting, there are several DRAYTONs without initials, forenames or dates of birth that could quite easily fit the bill up to and including 1960, and, of course, the sailings after that date are not online. Equally he could have flown out there and sent his possessions on by sea as cargo.

Just a suggestion... You could try posting a message on the soc.genealogy.australia+nz newsgroup - there are some quite helpful and friendly people on there. You will need to register with Google, then click on Groups and look for that newsgroup and join it - it's free. Your message will generally appear a few hours after you have posted it - not instantaneously like here. And you will periodically have to go back and check for messages - as far as I am aware (I haven't used it for quite a while), there is no notification system like here.

Otherwise try trawling through the Australasian groups and sites on Cyndi's List at https://www.cyndislist.com/austnz.htm

Good hunting!

Maurice

 

[Procat]

No trace of him in the death indexes for Victoria to 1985, Queensland to 1929, New South Wales to 1978.

Doug

 

[Passertby]

I did come across your Cecil Frith DRAYTON, born 24 March 1900, death registered at Gainsborough 3 Qtr 1977 Vol 7 Page 1302.

Thanks for that, 1 only had the quarter he was born in.

There's also an Albert Cecil DRAYTON, born 4 April 1894, death registered at Lambeth 2 Qtr 1982 Vol 14 Page 0029. In the same year/quarter at Brentwood the death was registered of a Charlotte Mabel J. DRAYTON, born 30 March 1898. And in the following quarter the death of a Mabel Dorothy DRAYTON, born 22 September 1890, at Ely Vol 9 Page 0803.

I haven't found any link to the above, YET, but thanks anyway.

Just a suggestion... You could try posting a message on the soc.genealogy.australia+nz newsgroup - there are some quite helpful and friendly people on there. You will need to register with Google, then click on Groups and look for that newsgroup and join it - it's free. Your message will generally appear a few hours after you have posted it - not instantaneously like here. And you will periodically have to go back and check for messages - as far as I am aware (I haven't used it for quite a while), there is no notification system like here.

I'l give that a go, thanks, you've been a great help.:thumbsup:

No trace of him in the death indexes for Victoria to 1985, Queensland to 1929, New South Wales to 1978.
Doug

Thank you very much for looking for me Doug, Didn't realise you were on this site too.

 

[Procat]

Thank you very much for looking for me Doug, Didn't realise you were on this site too.

Only a couple that I frequent - small world and all that.

 

[Passertby]

Thought I would pop in and give an update Re: Cecil Drayton

There was a mini census done in 1939, this has just become available to view. I thought I would try looking for him.

There was no Cecil Drayton to be found. But..... I did find a Cyril Drayton born 27 Feb 1896. His profession was Motor Body Maker Army ? Heavy Worker and he was married.

I had heard rumours that he had worked at the Longbridge plant in Birmingham.

I looked for a birth for a Cyril Drayton in 1896 but couldn't find one.

I found a marriage for a Cyril Drayton to a Mary Maybury in West Bromwich in 1921. I sent for the Marriage certificate to find out who this Cyril said his father was.

Low and behold it was great uncle Cecil (now Cyril)

Why he changed his name from Cecil to Cyril I have no idea.

Also on the marriage he says his father was Campbell Drayton, Farmer, Deceased.

Campbell didn't die till 1924.


[FONT=&quot]So found him at last [/FONT]

 

[sylviasayers]

Well done Passertyb it goes to show that patience and perservance can pay off in the end.