Does anyone know anything about The Rose and Crown, Inn and Tavern at 71, Weaman Street, Birmingham?
When was it built and when was it demolished? Apart from William Boden and his son, George Boden, who were its landlords?
Please forgive any mistakes but according to my Boden family tree research;
In 1861 The Rose and Crown was owned by William Boden (born1809- died 1879 at 71, Weaman Street ) and later inherited by his son, George Boden (born 1840, left Weaman Street before 1887-died 1914).
They were both licensed victuallers but also manufacturers, each with their own business.
George Boden manufactured guns or parts of guns.
As far as I can see, William Boden initially manufactured fire irons.
By 1851 William Boden and his wife, Ann (nee Robinson) lived in Price Street. William age 42 was born in Dudley and was a Gun Maker with his own firm.
1861 Census William Boden, Head of Household, Licensed Victualler, Rose and Crown, 71, Weaman Street. Born Dudley.
1861 Census George Boden, Son, Tower Gun Screwer, age 20, Male, Born Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
1871 Census, William Boden Licensed Victualler.
1871 Census George Boden, Son, Gun Maker, age 30,
1879 William Boden, Licensed Victualler, died 13th December, at 71 Weaman Street. Will proved by George Boden of 71 Weaman Street, Licensed Victualler, the son, the sole executor.
1881 Census George Boden, living at number 71 Weaman Street (The Rose and Crown).
Also in 1881 George's sister, Ann Elizabeth Antrobus (nee Boden) lived at number 72 Weaman Street, so there might have been a warehouse there as she is described as a warehouse woman (widow). If so, the pub, warehouse and gun workshops behind, may have joined onto a property the Boden family owned in Slaney Street.
1887 George's nephew, Ann's son, Samuel Boden Antrobus, died, aged 30 and by that time George Boden had left Weaman Street. He had stopped making guns and was no longer the landlord of The Rose and Crown. However, he kept the property which seems to have been on a long lease.
1914 George Boden, Retired Innkeeper, died 28th July 1914.
I found a map of lost pubs in Weaman Street and The Rose and Crown was about half way down, more or less opposite where the B4 car park is now. The space seems to have become soulless office parking.
Boden family papers show that the property in Weaman Street and the property in Slaney Street were sold to Webley and Scott, gun manufacturers in 1937.
The Webley and Scott factory complex (which was enormous) seems to have been completely erased.
I am no expert but I have read that Weaman Street used to be a lot longer (from Steelhouse Lane down to Baker Street?) However, the road seems to have been chopped in half to make way for the ring road and now curves round into what was once Sand Street to join Whittall Street. When I walked around the area recently, I could find very little of the past. Slaney Street seems to have disappeared altogether as a result of the ring road project which opened in 1971. Am I right?
When was it built and when was it demolished? Apart from William Boden and his son, George Boden, who were its landlords?
Please forgive any mistakes but according to my Boden family tree research;
In 1861 The Rose and Crown was owned by William Boden (born1809- died 1879 at 71, Weaman Street ) and later inherited by his son, George Boden (born 1840, left Weaman Street before 1887-died 1914).
They were both licensed victuallers but also manufacturers, each with their own business.
George Boden manufactured guns or parts of guns.
As far as I can see, William Boden initially manufactured fire irons.
By 1851 William Boden and his wife, Ann (nee Robinson) lived in Price Street. William age 42 was born in Dudley and was a Gun Maker with his own firm.
1861 Census William Boden, Head of Household, Licensed Victualler, Rose and Crown, 71, Weaman Street. Born Dudley.
1861 Census George Boden, Son, Tower Gun Screwer, age 20, Male, Born Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
1871 Census, William Boden Licensed Victualler.
1871 Census George Boden, Son, Gun Maker, age 30,
1879 William Boden, Licensed Victualler, died 13th December, at 71 Weaman Street. Will proved by George Boden of 71 Weaman Street, Licensed Victualler, the son, the sole executor.
1881 Census George Boden, living at number 71 Weaman Street (The Rose and Crown).
Also in 1881 George's sister, Ann Elizabeth Antrobus (nee Boden) lived at number 72 Weaman Street, so there might have been a warehouse there as she is described as a warehouse woman (widow). If so, the pub, warehouse and gun workshops behind, may have joined onto a property the Boden family owned in Slaney Street.
1887 George's nephew, Ann's son, Samuel Boden Antrobus, died, aged 30 and by that time George Boden had left Weaman Street. He had stopped making guns and was no longer the landlord of The Rose and Crown. However, he kept the property which seems to have been on a long lease.
1914 George Boden, Retired Innkeeper, died 28th July 1914.
I found a map of lost pubs in Weaman Street and The Rose and Crown was about half way down, more or less opposite where the B4 car park is now. The space seems to have become soulless office parking.
Boden family papers show that the property in Weaman Street and the property in Slaney Street were sold to Webley and Scott, gun manufacturers in 1937.
The Webley and Scott factory complex (which was enormous) seems to have been completely erased.
I am no expert but I have read that Weaman Street used to be a lot longer (from Steelhouse Lane down to Baker Street?) However, the road seems to have been chopped in half to make way for the ring road and now curves round into what was once Sand Street to join Whittall Street. When I walked around the area recently, I could find very little of the past. Slaney Street seems to have disappeared altogether as a result of the ring road project which opened in 1971. Am I right?
