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WILLIAM TREVOR, b. 03 Jan 1824, Birmingham, Warwickshire - bap St Martin in the Bull Ring; died 27 Sep 1884, 132, West Street, Crewe, Cheshire.

He married HANNAH CLARA (known as CLARA) COLLINS 1843 in West Bromwich, daughter of JOSEPH COLLINS and HANNAH UNKNOWN. She was born 05 Apr 1821 in Birmingham, and died 1904 in Aston, Birmingham.

Children of WILLIAM TREVOR and HANNAH COLLINS are:

DAVID JOSEPH TREVOR, b. Abt. 1844, Birmingham; d. 1884, Reg., Birmingham
WILLIAM JOHN TREVOR, b. 1846, Yardley, Worcestershire; d. 1910, Reg., Birmingham

William moved around and changed his occupation. I have the impression that when his father died he took on the role of the family patriarch.
1841 he was at his parents corn dealership, 85 Coleshill street, Birmingham. He maybe helped out.

1851 still at 85 Coleshill street. Now married, he is helping his mother run the business inherited from his late father and expanded the range to include provisions and is also provided accommodation for two of his now fatherless brothers including David.

William Trevor 27 Provision Dealer
Clara Trevor - wife 28
David Trevor son 6 scholar (means at school)
William (John) Trevor 4 son scholar
David Trevor 22 lodger (William’s ventriloquist brother)
Francis Trevor, Shop Assistant – 16 (another brother)

He now leaves the family business to set up on his own.

1861 13-14 New Thomas street, Aston, Birmingham (now demolished). If the correct entry -
William Trevor 37 Coal dealer
Hannah Clara Trevor, wife 40
David Joseph Trevor son Baker 16
William John Trevor son coal trade 14
Harriet Stanton 13 servant

1871 Next to Crown House, Yardley, Worcestershire (now in Birmingham, Warwickshire). It is unclear exactly where Crown House was in Yardley. It was presumably near or in the village centre. He was next to the parish clerk and his wife who was the village school mistress, and on the other side there was a manufacturer although these could be church outbuildings which included a boys’ school and a curate’s dwelling (still standing). There was a working farm in Yardley up until the 1960s and the building still stands, behind the smithy. That could be it. The village centre is a conservation area.
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William Trevor 47 Head, Farmer and market gardener of 25 acres employing 3 men and 1 boy
Hannah Trevor 49 wife born Birmingham
William (John) Trevor son 24
Elizabeth Trevor (nee Worral) daughter in law 21 born Castle Bromwich
William J Trevor grandson son 7 months born Yardley – Bap Yardley church
Phebe Lilly niece aged10
Phoebe Trevor, Head’s mother 73 born Birmingham

He then moved his family to a small shop in Cheshire, I presume after his mother died. I don’t know why. It is where William senior eventually died in 1884.:

1881 132 West street, Monks Coppenhall, Cheshire
William Trevor 57 Head born Birmingham - Baker
Hannah Trevor 59 Wife (dressmaker)
William J. Trevor 10 Grandson (not worked out why he is not with his parents).
Sarah A. Jones 15 servant * (possibly more of her later)
 
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JOHN TREVOR, b. 11 Jun 1825, Birmingham - bap st Martin; d. 1882, Aston, Birmingham; m. SARAH HODGKINS, 1850, Kings Norton; b. Abt. 1827, Tipton, Staffordshire; d. 1900 Birmingham. Buried at Witton cemetery.

This is one of the mystery Trevors on this tree. He had very mixed fortunes. Things started off well then for some reason things seemed to have gone terribly wrong….

1851 – John and Sarah are living at Camden street, Birmingham. He has his own grocery business like his father and elder brother and has hired an apprentice. So far so good.

1861 John and Sarah are living Bromsgove street, Birmingham near Hurst street. He is now a (Hansom) cab driver. Why did he give up the potentially lucrative shop business?

1871 John is living with his wife at 23 Lower Hurst street east, (near the Hippodrome theatre) Birmingham. Occupation, still a cab driver but they have had to take in a lodger presumably to help make ends meet.

1881 277 Lawley street, Birmingham, Deritend (north of Small Heath). Not sure if the road exists or where it was. He is described as married aged 55, which means Sarah is still alive but I could not find her anywhere on the census return. (Can anyone?) He has hired a live-in servant Annie Bates which sounds impressive but she was aged only 12 and I doubt he paid her much. Does this suggest that Sarah was no longer living at the address so he has to have a hired help, if so, where was she? Had she done a runner? Is she just away visiting someone on census night? Or was there another reason?

1882 John died aged 57. There had been no children.

1891 Census - Sarah Trevor reappears again and is now a widow but she is an inmate of the Birmingham Workhouse where she has been put to work as a seamstress. She is described as a pauper.

1900 Sarah dies. Had she been in the workhouse all that time, and if so, why? If she had become mentally incapacitated then she maybe wouldn’t have been able to work presumably.

The Birmingham Workhouse was a grand building but by all accounts a terrible place. It eventually closed and became Dudley Road Hospital when the NHS started in 1948. A small part of the original building still exists apparently. To see what life was like for her there see the following:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Birmingham/ It had accommodation for 700 adults and 600 children. All separated.
Why was she in the workhouse? Did she become destitute when John died and she had no income, or had she already been there for some years and been committed for some reason?

The admissions papers cannot be found on-line but they might hold information as to why she was admitted. They might be available in the Birmingham Reference library should anyone wish to research further. Their death certificates may also hold some clues to their misfortunes.
 
DAVID TREVOR, b. 28 Aug 1828, Birmingham; d. 1916, Small Heath, Birmingham. (Ventriloquist - Stage name: Professor Trevori). The subject of this forum. Discussed more fully in earlier posts.
 
PHOEBE TREVOR. She was born 10 Mar 1830 in Aston street, Birmingham - bap st Martin 30 March, and died 1903 in Aston, Birmingham - aged 72. She married WILLIAM WALTER (known as WALTER) LILLY, a brass founder in 1858 at St Bartholomew, Edgbaston, Birmingham. Walter was born 25 Mar 1834 in Aston, and died 14 Feb 1915 in Aston, Birmingham.

Phebe's sister Ann Trevor was a witness at the wedding. Strangely neither bride nor groom named their fathers on the marriage certificate.

1851 at Park road Aston, milliner, living with her mother and siblings.
1861 married and living in Aston.

1901 at 8 Eliot street, Aston (house now demolished but similar still standing).

Children of PHOEBE TREVOR and WILLIAM LILLY are:

WALTER BENJAMIN6 LILLY, b. 12 Jun 1859, 357 Nechells Park Road, Birmingham; d. 1913, Kings Norton, Birmingham. (Became a beer house keeper Selly Oak High street)

PHEBE ANNE LILLY, b. 05 Mar 1861, Birmingham; d. 09 Jan 1947, Glendossil, Henley in Arden, Warwickshire.

CLARA LILLY, b. 1864, Birmingham.

MARTHA JANE LILLY, b. 1869, Birmingham. (Who became a school teacher)

JOSEPH LILLY, b. 1870, Birmingham.
 
MARY ELIZABETH TREVOR, b. 13 Feb 1831, Gosta Green, Birmingham;

d. 22 Sep 1847, Died Coleshill street, aged 13. Buried St Martin churchyard, Birmingham.
 
ANN TREVOR, b. 31 Jan 1833, Gosta Green, Birmingham - Bap st Martin, Birmingham; d. 1892 Solihull district.

1851, Single, Living with her mother.

1861 Single, Living with her mother. Nechells Park Road. Dress maker.

She married in 1870 a George Drake. In 1881 they are running a grocery business in 356 Nechells Park Road and have her one year old niece Kate Jones living with them.
 
FRANCIS TREVOR, b. 28 Aug 1834, Aston street, Birmingham.

He appears to be a rather erratic with an eclectic CV.

Francis was variously a hay, straw & horse corn dealer, a weighing machine proprietor and then a coal merchant. He moved his family quite often for example from Birmingham to Stoke on Trent then back to Birmingham, then on to Tamworth.

His first wife was ANN WEBB who he married in Dudley and they had seven children. She was born Abt. 1833 in Ashwood Bank near Redditch, Warwickshire, and died 1883, in Tamworth aged 52.

Children of FRANCIS TREVOR and ANN WEBB are:

JOSEPH TREVOR, b. Abt. 1857, Stoke on Trent.

ANNIE TREVOR, b. Abt. 1859, Stoke on Trent; d. 1932, Birmingham.

ELLEN TREVOR, b. Abt. 1861, Stoke on Trent.

ELIZABETH TREVOR, b. Abt. 1863, Studley, Warwickshire.

WILLIAM TREVOR, b. 31 Aug 1866, Stoke on Trent. Bap St Laurence Birmingham 8.6.1873 baptised six years after birth;

FRANCIS TREVOR, b. 25 Dec 1870, 34 Aston road, Aston, Birmingham,
Bap 8.6.1873; baptised three years after birth d. 17 Nov 1929.

JAMES TREVOR, b. 1870, Nechells, Birmingham

Three year after Ann died Francis had a mid life crisis! About 1886, aged 52 he ran off to New York with a 21 year old girl called SARAH JONES* from Hertfordshire and they married 2.10.1886 in Manhattan. (Could this have been his brother William’s servant? I think so). Francis lied about his age as on their wedding certificate stating he was 45! His parents were correctly recorded as David Trevor and Phoebe Mavity. Francis and Sarah lived their lives out in New York going on to have a family.

In 1888 - 1890, his 6th child by his first wife, his namesake Francis Trevor also moved to America to be near his father. Once there he married Emma L Rose and stayed. What happened to his six siblings I don’t know. Francis junior died 17.11.1929 Frankfort Herkimer County, New York.

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CAROLINE TREVOR, b. Abt. 1836, Birmingham; d. 1880, Birmingham - aged 43.

In 1860 she married a railway porter called Mark Fisher from Oxfordshire and they lived in Erdington, Birmingham.

They had two daughters, one of whom died in her first year of marriage.
 
ELLEN TREVOR, b. Abt. 1837, Birmingham; d. 26 Feb 1906, "Woodbine", Wordsworth Rd, Small Heath, Birmingham

She married JOHN VINCENT JONES in 1858 in Birmingham, son of GEORGE JONES and MARY VINCENT, who were publicans. He was born 1838 in (various given locations in records) either Tooting Graveney, Surrey or Boxmoor, Hertfordshire or Walton on the Hoe, Surrey, and died 1904 in Sheldon, Birmingham. Buried St Giles churchyard, Sheldon.
In 1858 at time of Ellen’s marriage she was living at Lawrence street, Birmingham (street not found).

JOHN VINCENT JONES:
Described as a baker when his 5th child, son Albert was born in 1872 in Garrison Lane, next door to the Garrison Tavern.

John and Ellen Jones also ran the Garrison Tavern in Garrison Lane, Bordesley Birmingham just north of Small Heath. As mentioned earlier, Ellen and David’s brother Joseph Trevor also ran the baker’s shop next door (it is essentially in the same building). These buildings plus an adjacent school which is grade 2 listed are apparently the only really old buildings left in the street. The Garrison Tavern had become nationally famous in recent years when it featured in the TV series Peaky Blinders, which was a story about Birmingham criminals in the 1920-30s.

A web site: History of various Occupants/Landlords of the Garrison lists who ran the Garrison Tavern over the years. Ellen’s brother Joseph Trevor moved from the bakery to running the main pub when his sister and brother in law left but various members of the Trevor family worked and/or lived there over the years including William’s granddaughter Ada Trevor.
The first landlords were:

1858/J. Keogan/../../../Dix Directory
1861/John Keogan/../../../Birmingham Directory

Then it is run by David’s brother in law John Jones and his sister et al.:

1867/J Jones/Garrison Tavern, 278 Garrison lane/../../Kelly’s Directory
1875/John Jones/Garrison Inn, 255 Garrison lane/../../Whites Directory
1883/Joseph Trevor/Garrison Inn, 255 Garrison lane/../../Kelly’s Directory

1891 census

Joseph Trevor/Licensed Victualler/50/Birmingham, Warwickshire/Census
Sarah Trevor/Wife/46/Birmingham, Warwickshire/Census
Rose Fisher/Niece, Barmaid/22/Birmingham, Warwickshire/Census
Aaron Fisher/Nephew/16/West Bromwich Staffordshire/Census
Eliza Price/Domestic Servant/18/Birmingham, Warwickshire/Census

1892/Joseph Trevor/Garrison Inn, 110 Garrison lane/../../Kelly’s Directory

Today, the pub has been closed for some time. When it was auctioned in 2014 it sold for £183,000. The purchaser wished to remain anonymous. Apparently they wanted to turn it into flats but the council refused. However, the new owner does not appear to maintain this historic property and it is falling into disrepair and could lose its frontage. See StreetView 2020.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4...BA9vcRpQ!2e0!5s20200901T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Life at The Garrison:

8.10.1862 is the date Ellen’s husband John Jones’s bought the Garrison by auction from Mr Keogan. The property was also a licensed slaughterhouse.

1863 John V Jones had his pony and trap stolen when it was tethered in Princep street, central Birmingham. It was reported in the local press and the perpetrator sought.

Later he appears to have got it back and is selling it:
Birmingham Daily Gazette, 1866: To be SOLD, cheap, PONY, TRAP, and HARNESS.—Apply at Garrison Tavern, Garrison Lane, Birmingham.

As today, running a prosperous pub is not just about selling beer. John has other events such as customer outings, concerts and sporting competitions which were advertised nationally, as well as obtaining income from lodgers. It may have been what today we would have described as a sports pub with rooms. One of his sporting outings however ended in disaster.

The Worcester Journal - newspaper 1866: Court case - Jones v Page

The Plaintiff Mr Jones is the owner of the Garrison Tavern, Birmingham and the defendant is the owner of livery stables in that town. Mr Huddleston QC and Mr Motteram were for the Plaintiff and Mr James for the Defendant. Mr Huddleston in his opening case said that the Plaintiff, wishing to take some friends to the Warwick races had hired an omnibus and four horses to take them there and back. The omnibus was constructed to take 28 persons but only 25 went. All went well getting there and on the return journey until they got to Solihull when the hind wheels of the omnibus broke and the passengers were thrown to the ground, many of them hurt, three of them whom he has to recompense. They were paid compensation of £179 (this is a lot of money considering the pub cost about £183). One of them, Henry Adams, broke his leg in three places and was confined to his house for 18 weeks. Mr George Rann, surgeon who examined him said that he was still lame and would be likely to be so for the rest of his life. (In brief) Mr James for the defendant pointed out that there had been no warranty for the hire and the omnibus was not travelling more than three miles per hour. (Like buses today where I live methinks) The case was lost and the Plaintiff Mr Jones was awarded £100 compensation.

1866 Jones applies for a music licence for the pub.

1867 - Press notice - Lost from Mr Gregg's Fieldhouse Farm, Yardley (presumably in Fieldhouse Lane), a bay pony, 13 hands. Apply to Mr Gregg, or Mr Jones of the Garrison Tavern. (It is not known what the connection was between (Charles) Gregg and John Jones. However, he was a farmer living in Yardley where Ellen’s brother William Trevor lived).

1869 Press notice - WANTED, a GIRL-OF-ALL-WORK, about 18, for a Public- house.—Apply, Garrison Tavern, Garrison Lane.

Mr Jones was very much into staging competitive sports and held numerous sporting events in the back garden (which still exists) that were regularly reported in The Sporting Life –a national newspaper: GARRISON TAVERN, GARRISON LANE—There was a good attendance of sportsmen at Mr. Jones’s on Wednesday, when couple of sparrow sweepstakes were shot as subjoined, the opening sweepstakes being at five birds each, s s. subscription.

19 November 1870 - Sporting Life Newspaper - London, England
Garrison Tavern

Mr J Jones had numerous assemblage on Tuesday when two sweepstakes at small birds were shot, first by eleven competitors and the second by four. Mr Robinson winning the first and Mr Jones, the second. (Looks like the landlord may have awarded himself second prize!)

1871 Census – John V Jones is still the publican at The Garrison Tavern. Has a live in servant and a live in brewer plus lodgers, so the pub beer was own brew.

1881 By this time John V Jones and his wife Ellen Jones have moved to the Regent's Park Tavern, 215 Coventry Road, Small Heath, Birmingham. (Demolished). Joseph Jones is still at the Garrison.

1883 John V Jones’s occupation is now a retail brewer.

1891 Yardley Fields Road, Yardley, Solihull, Worcestershire. Publican at the Yardley Arms (Still standing).

John V Jones, Head, 52 publican born Epsom, Surrey
Ellen Jones 52 born Birmingham
Harry Jones, 19, Brewers Clerk born Birmingham
Joseph V Jones 17 at school
Ernest Jones 13 at school
Kate Jones 10 at school
George Drake, visitor, insurance agent from London
Ann Drake visitor wife of above
Kate Trevor 16 visitor
Amy Hall, general servant aged 19
William Partridge, servant 27 (coachman and groom)

1901
They are now living at a house called ‘Westfield' in Church Road, Yardley (It was probably near the junction of Blakesley Road but on the park side - now demolished and replaced). John V Jones is now a brewer.

John Vincent Jones died in 1904. He and his wife have an impressive tomb which is in Sheldon churchyard.

Children of ELLEN TREVOR and JOHN VINCENT JONES are:

GEORGE WILLIAM6 JONES, b. 07 Aug 1859, bap. Ashted, Duddleston, St James the Less, Birmingham; d. 1933, Birmingham.

JOHN JONES, b. 15 Sep 1861, bap. Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire; d. No more information. Ashstead St James the Less, was in Duddleston, Birmingham (sadly demolished – would be where Barrack street is now).

WILLIAM JONES, b. Abt. 1862, Birmingham; d. No information.
Notes for WILLIAM JONES: 1881 aged 19, living at home with parents - an engine fitter.

ANNIE ELLEN JONES, b. 1865, Birmingham; d. No more information.

ALBERT EDWARD JONES, b. 06 Oct 1872, Garrison Lane, Birmingham; d. Unknown. Baptism: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire. 1881 at home with parents at the Regent's Park Tavern, 105 Coventry Road, Birmingham. (I believe there are posts about this pub elsewhere on the forum).

HARRY JONES, b. Abt. 1873, Birmingham; d. Unknown.

This is John and Ellen's memorial at Sheldon and their son George.


George Jones.jpgJohn Vincent Jones.jpg​
 
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JOSEPH TREVOR, b. 22 Jun 1840, at the corn dealership, 85 Coleshill street, Birmingham Bap st Martin, Birmingham 15.7.1840; d. 1911, Hampton in Arden, Warwickshire; m. SARAH JAMES, 1872, Birmingham; b. 1844, Birmingham; d. 1908, Hampton in Arden.

1861 Joseph is a baker but is staying along with his theatrical brother David Trevor and a woman Eliza Trevor spuriously described as David’s wife at The Castle Inn, Spalding, Lincs. David and Eliza appear to be on tour.

1871 Joseph is still single and living with his sister Ellen and his brother in law John Jones. Occupation baker at Garrison Lane, Bordesley, Birmingham. This is the small shop which is annexed to the Garrison Tavern.

1881 Baker. Married no children. At 256 Garrison Lane, Aston.

1885 Takes over running the Garrison Tavern in Garrison Lane. Placed an advert in the Gloucester Citizen newspaper - Wanted: young man to assist in a Public House and make himself generally useful; one from the country preferred. Joseph Trevor, The Garrison Tavern, Birmingham.

1891 At 108 Garrison lane, Birmingham, living next door to his nephew William. This is probably the shop annexe part of the Garrison Tavern or the bakery as above.

1895 - He sometimes lets the Garrison pub to auctioneers to use as a saleroom.

1901- Joseph and his wife had moved to run an unnamed pub in Hampton in Arden High street. I think that this has to be the White Lion opposite the church although there had been one or two other pubs at one time. His brother David Trevor married one of his wives at the church opposite.

1911 He was living at a house in Belle Vue terrace, Hampton in Arden which is a small road off the High street. Now a widower and described as a retired publican he is with his nephew and family. It was recorded that he had had no children.

He died 1.12.1911 and left £407.10s.3d to his nephew, sister Ellen’s son John Jones.
 
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Many thanks for your herculean effort in all this @Susan D - I will certainly make use of it and have already referred our few remaining family members to this forum. It's also worth noting that the content of these pages will become visible to Google before too long, with obvious benefits to other family history researchers. A Google search for "Signor Trevori", which rarely resulted in anything, now features this thread prominently in the results.
 
Hello to Susan D and to MSB particularly. I am a great-great granddaughter of David Trevor. I am from his daughter, Phoebe, who married Samuel Oakes, their daughter Annie Ellen, who married Thomas Edward Allen, and their daughter, Fay. I'm the one who Susan D found had wrongly attributed the name of Samuel Oakes to the photo of David Trevor. Error corrected!
 
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It is definitely David Trevor. He's holding a copy of The Great War magazine. I have a copy of an almost identical shot taken at the same sitting, but being a photo of a photo the magazine title is indistinct. There is also a third photo from the sitting with David, son Harry and oldest grandson Sydney - three generations of Trevors. Best guess is the magazine is included to date the photo to some time between late 1914 and his death in 1916, almost as proof that he'd made it that far - maybe a photo intended for future generations? The magazine's cover features a Dreadnought in the design, and the cover design changed at a later stage of the war to a more sober one. I have been through photos of every job lot I can find that's been sold on eBay trying to identify the specific cover to put a date on the photo, and so far no luck. Many of the magazines featured senior officers on the cover so distinguishing one WW1 general from another isn't easy! I don't know if David took the photo himself or if son Harry took it, or if it was at a third party studio - both were professional photographers during their lives. David would be into his late 80s by this time and living back in Birmingham, so I'm not sure if he'd still be up to a trip to Harry's home in Ashby.
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Hello MSB. I also have the two photos of David Trevor, and one with his son and grandson. Who they were has been a family mystery for some time!
 
Susan D said:
From the same family history web site, here is a photo of David's eldest surviving child, Phoebe Ellen Trevor via his first wife Jane Holtom (assuming the attribution is correct. She resembles David to my mind). Born 1853 reg. Evesham - died 1921 Birmingham. She married and had six children.

Considering David was a photographer and so was his son, it seems a shame that the only photographs of him seem to have been taken later on in his life. I don't know when he first added photography to his extensive CV.
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Phoebe Oakes nee Trevor was known as Polly.
 
mem said:
Hello to Susan D and to MSB particularly. I am a great-great granddaughter of David Trevor. I am from his daughter, Phoebe, who married Samuel Oakes, their daughter Annie Ellen, who married Thomas Edward Allen, and their daughter, Fay. I'm the one who Susan D found had wrongly attributed the name of Samuel Oakes to the photo of David Trevor. Error corrected!
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Hello @mem . It would appear that we are of the same generation in relation to David Trevor, thus making us step-cousins of sorts!

mem said:
I also have the two photos of David Trevor, and one with his son and grandson. Who they were has been a family mystery for some time!
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Definitely David, Harry, and Sydney, apparently on David's 87th birthday or shortly thereafter. What I find interesting is that your family also has these 3 photos, which appears to confirm a bond between step-siblings Phoebe and Harry.

I'll message you via this forum regarding photos and other ephemera. Thanks for getting in contact, and also to @Susan D for enabling this.
 
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Hello @mem . It would appear that we are of the same generation in relation to David Trevor, thus making us step-cousins of sorts!


Definitely David, Harry, and Sydney, apparently on David's 87th birthday or shortly thereafter. What I find interesting is that your family also has these 3 photos, which appears to confirm a bond between step-siblings Phoebe and Harry.

I'll message you via this forum regarding photos and other ephemera. Thanks for getting in contact, and also to @Susan D for enabling this.
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Hello step-cousin! Indeed, these 2 photos were in my family's collection, were well preserved and were two out of three unidentified. The third one is of a gentleman in a top hat and with a handlebar moustache, who I had presumed would be the performer, David Trevor. So now I have no idea who he is! Look forward to your message and being able to pass on photos to you.
 
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Hello @mem . It would appear that we are of the same generation in relation to David Trevor, thus making us step-cousins of sorts!


Definitely David, Harry, and Sydney, apparently on David's 87th birthday or shortly thereafter. What I find interesting is that your family also has these 3 photos, which appears to confirm a bond between step-siblings Phoebe and Harry.

I'll message you via this forum regarding photos and other ephemera. Thanks for getting in contact, and also to @Susan D for enabling this.
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Hi guys,

This is my first post, having been pointed here by my mum in law who is researching my family history.
It is possible that David Trevor is my 3 x Great Grandfather (William Trevor)'s brother, making him my 3 x Great Uncle.
In the 1851 census he is lodging with William Trevor.
 
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Hi guys,

This is my first post, having been pointed here by my mum in law who is researching my family history.
It is possible that David Trevor is my 3 x Great Grandfather (William Trevor)'s brother, making him my 3 x Great Uncle.
In the 1851 census he is lodging with William Trevor.
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Hello TH1,

Welcome. I presume you mean David Trevor the ventriloquist, brother of William?

Do you know yet where you sit on the family tree? Are you able to give us a bit more information about what you know and don't know without giving out too much personal information? That David Trevor had three wives. Do you know which one you are descended from? If not, what do you need to know to find out?
 
TH1 said:
Hi guys,

This is my first post, having been pointed here by my mum in law who is researching my family history.
It is possible that David Trevor is my 3 x Great Grandfather (William Trevor)'s brother, making him my 3 x Great Uncle.
In the 1851 census he is lodging with William Trevor.
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Hello TH1

Apologies for the belated response, I've not been an active BHF user for a while.

I'm the Great Great Grandson of David Trevor, so we're related insofar as we have common ancestors in David Trevor and wife Phoebe (nee Mavity) the parents of both David and his brother William, and their numerous siblings.

Check back over this thread and see if there's anything else you'd like to know. I have a few photos of some of your Victorian era relatives, but not of William. I also have some ephemera from David's lengthy stage career. If you have any old photos I'd be most interested - my Great Great Grandad was (amongst other things) a photographer, so he may have taken family portraits of your ancestors that might have been passed down.
 
MSB said:
Hello TH1

Apologies for the belated response, I've not been an active BHF user for a while.

I'm the Great Great Grandson of David Trevor, so we're related insofar as we have common ancestors in David Trevor and wife Phoebe (nee Mavity) the parents of both David and his brother William, and their numerous siblings.

Check back over this thread and see if there's anything else you'd like to know. I have a few photos of some of your Victorian era relatives, but not of William. I also have some ephemera from David's lengthy stage career. If you have any old photos I'd be most interested - my Great Great Grandad was (amongst other things) a photographer, so he may have taken family portraits of your ancestors that might have been passed down.
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Hi MSB,

Sorry for the late response also, same here.

Thats awesome. My mother in law and I have done quite a lot of research into my family tree and its really complex, however my Nans side of the family (the Trevors) is less so. Great to see we are related. Its on ancestry if youre interested.

I'll have a good look through the thread.

Cheers :)
 
I have read the really fascinating posts about David Trevor. I previously knew nothing about his life and career.
His Daughter Constance b. 1881 was married to my Great Uncle, Tom Adey in 1908. The name Trevor was given to their first Son as a second name,John Trevor Adey.
 
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From the same family history web site, here is a photo of David's eldest surviving child, Phoebe Ellen Trevor via his first wife Jane Holtom (assuming the attribution is correct. She resembles David to my mind). Born 1853 reg. Evesham - died 1921 Birmingham. She married and had six children.

Considering David was a photographer and so was his son, it seems a shame that the only photographs of him seem to have been taken later on in his life. I don't know when he first added photography to his extensive CV.
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@Susan D (if you're still monitoring this thread) hello again.

As my collection of David Trevor CdV images has grown I've tried sorting them according to the studio props and backdrops visible in the images. This idea was inspired by a visit to the Vermeer museum in Delft, where the same props and clothing appear in different portraits painted at different times, because Vermeer was short of cash for most of his life. Sure enough, David used the same studio props repeatedly for his portrait photos.

Although I only have a handful of Harry Trevor studio images, one of them (of an unknown youth) features exactly the same backdrop as the image of Phoebe Ellen that you posted earlier.

This suggests either a) the photo was taken by her step-brother Harry at his South Street studio in Ashby, or b) somebody commercially produced backdrops for photographers and two different photographers used them by coincidence.

My gut instinct is a), given David's past stage career and son Harry's early role as his road manager. They both must have known how to prepare backdrops.
 
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