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CUTLER, Elizabeth

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I am trying to find out more information about my grgrandmother, Elizabeth CUTLER who was born in Birmingham in 1859

In the 1881 census she was working for Emily EXON as a servant (Emily was a Publican) and the address was 157 Great Hampton Row in Birmingham

In 1891 she was still working for Emily EXON but now at "The Avenue" at 49 Aston Road North as a barmaid/general servant

She left England and came to Canada, where my grandmother was born. However, the 1911 Canadian census says Elizabeth immigrated to Canada in 1907 (I do believe she went back to England for a short period of time) but I can't find her in the 1901 census in England or Canada

Any information about the area or the CUTLERs that were living in this area would be much appreciated as I know so little about my ancestor (my grandmother was an only child and spent most of her childhood in an orphanage because her mother could not afford to keep/raise her)

Judy
BC Canada
 
The cutlers were living in Aston Nechells area from about 1800's one married into the Family living in Long Acre in 1920
I know a few more addresses were they lived if you are intrested
 
:) Yes, I would very much like any information you have on the CUTLERs. Since my last post in January, I did find out my Elizabeth had a number of siblings. Her father was Harry (also known as Henry and/or William) and her mother was Hannah. Her siblings were: Harry (Jr.), Albert, Charles, George, Agnes, Lucy (and there might have been another son that died at an early age)

I know that Agnes married an Edwin SUCKLING and I do have all the information on them. I believe Lucy (Louise) never married and I do not know any information about the other siblings.

Once again, I would be please to receive any information you might have. Thanks in advance.

Judy
BC Canada
 
My Grandfather Joseph Knight Married Harriet Cutler I dont know when he married,  he was born in 1848 died in 1931
Their was a daughter Emily and she married a Cutler. In the 1920's The Cutlers lived at
William 15 Argyle Street with someone called Farnsworth
Walter Cutler, Florence Mary Anne, lived at 361 Victoria Road Aston
Frank Edward lived at 1back of 22Thimble Mill Lane
George Richard Knight (My Father) Lived at Long Acre and at the back William and Emily Cutler lived at 3 back of 116 Long Acre Nechells. A lot of the Cutlers still live in that area of Birmingham 
I also have 1881 William 51 Carter  and Anne Cutler born Salop Shropshirer and George Cutler 15 Striker Blacksmith born Aston all at 66 Catherine Street.
Ann Cutler was former Wigley they lived at Primrose Hill Nechells in 1857 also at Primrose hill was
William Cutler 28 Metal Roller, Ann Cutler born  Ashwitch(sic)  Worc. and James Cutler 7 months all their in 1861 all these found while researching my family tree
 
Thanks for the information. I don't know where those Cutlers may fit into my tree but I wouldn't be the least surprised if they were all related.

in 1901 Agnes (Cutler) and her husband, Edwin Sucking were living with their young son and Agnes' widowed father (Henry) at 37 Clarence Road (in 1891 Henry was living at 19 Clarence Road with several of his children, including Agnes who wasn't married as yet, he was widowed at that time also)

Henry (who also went by William and/or Harry at times - as his son was also Henry (Harry) William) was an Engraver, as was a number of his sons (and his son-in-law, Edwin Suckling) - he was born c1833

Henry married Hannah (nee NOTT) in 1858 in All Saints, Burmingham

I believe my Henry (Sr.) had two sisters, Harriett and Mary Ann, that would have been born 1822-24

So there are definitely some possibilities

Judy
BC Canada
 
I can tell you that the Cutlers were living in terrible poverty in the 1900's my half-sister was put up for adopion in the 1930's when we finally traced her a few years age we found out she had died a couple of months before we found her and was told by her daughter she spent her whole life trying to trace her family but the faceless people in Govement stopped her making a connection it was so sad.
 
So sad indeed - I kind of gathered they were very poor from what I have found also. My grgrandmother was the only one that came to Canada - roughly the end of 1890's. She went back to England for a short spell but then returned. She was approximately 42 years of age when she had my grandmother (her only child) which I presume was the reason she left England in the first place, being she wasn't married. She said she married a John Cutler while in Canada and they had thier daughter in 1901. However, after my grandmother passed away we searched for her birth certificate and could not find it. We decided to search in Canada for one and loe and behold, there she was, born one year earlier than she thought. She also thought, all her life, she had been born in England. My grgrandmother worked for Emily Exon as a domestic servant for at least 10 years before coming to Canada (according to the censuses). We had been told she was an only child but I soon discovered that wasn't the case. I presume that was also to avoid discussion about why she was here and they were all in England.

Amazingly enough, my husband was also adopted (in 1945) but didn't find out until he was 55 years of age. His parents never told him and by the time he found out, they were both deceased. Being we are in Canada and he was born in England, it was difficult to say the least. We finally ended up applying to the courts to have his adoption file released. By the time we found his birth mother it was 6 months too late. She only had one other child (a son, who I don't know whether he is a half or full brother because he doesn't want anything to do with us). All I know is, when his mother died, his father told him he had another sibling. I presume he was told of the details and I would have liked to have talked to the father but his son blocked all my attempts and he also has now passed on. Whatever information is known about my husband and his life before his adoption remains with the brother that refuses to release it. There should be a law that takes care of these things. I have told him, though correspondence, that we do not wish to be part of his life if he so chooses, but medical history etc would be greatly appreciated. As my husband gets older and encounters more visits to the physician, it becomes more and more apparent how important it is to have this information.

I don't know why some people can't see this isn't just a hobby sometimes.

Judy
BC Canada
 
Judy
Ive been in the one  pub what you mentioned The Minerva Vaults in Great Hampton Street and The Avenues at Aston two old pubs going back to the 1800's and as life rolls on
Do not look back and feel sorry about the past,for it has gone.
Do not worry about the Future for it has not yet come,Live in the present and make it Beautiful.

The World is a funny old place but we are only here once
If I find any more info on the Cutlers I will let you know
Take care

Cromwell
 
So true - life is to be treasured, that is why it is called the "present"

We live too much concentrating on the negative and not more on the positive.

Thank you again so much for the information and I definitely would appreciated anymore Cutlers you may come across in your travels.

Thanks again - enjoy!

Judy
 
Judy.
I have another 10 Cutlers born in Birminham Killed in the Great War 1914-18
Albert,Alfred,Frank, Ernest Albert,and Arthur Fredrick etc.
If you want the details on anyone of them I can tell you
Regards
Cromwell
 
That would be awesome Cromwell

Unfortunately (for you that is) I have at least one of all those names in my tree - would you be so kind as to send me any information you have on those fellows?

Much appreciated

Take care - Judy
 
Judy, Its a good job I am a Great War Historian
83 Cutlers lost their lives in the 1914-18 War
Alfred Cutler 20873 Private 4th Batt. Worcestershire Regt. D.O.W 24/09/15 Gallipoli
Arthur Frederick Cutler 486845 Sapper, Corps of Royal Engineers (548th Fortress Coy) Died at Home at Smethwick Staffs
Ernest Albert Cutler 3060 Lc/Cpl Coldsteam Guards K.I.A. 06/0716 F&F
Harold Cutler 2790 Private 1/6th Batt. Teritorial Royal Warwickshire Regt. K.I.A. 01/07/16
Jessie Eric Cutler 15974 10th Batt. Worcestershire Regt. K.I.A. 25/10/16
Reginald Eric Cutler 21748 Private Coldstream Guards K.I.A. 13/04/18
Samuel Cutler 10473 Private 3rd Batt. Worcestershire Regt. K.I.A. 27/11/14
Samuel Cutler 37878 Private 14th Batt. Royal Warwickshire Regt. K.I.A. 27/09/18
Thomas Cutler 33192 Private 2nd Batt. Worcestershire Regt. D.O.W. 02/05/17
Winifred George Cutler M2/222006 Royal Army Service Corps K.I.A. 30/09/17
KIA (Killed in Action) DOW Died of Wounds unless otherwise stated all died in France or Flanders. any that died in the battle of the Somme 1916 or in 1914 I can supply further details of where they were till they got killed
Regards
Cromwell   
 
Much appreciated Cromwell - you are indeed a wealth of information

Judy
 
Re: CUTLER,s

Hello Heywyre :) There are No Cutler,s on the B,ham Lists (Civilians killed in B,ham Bombings)

So,,, they,re out there & offsprings,, go get "Em" Ok O0

ps Sure agree with you,, Our Cromwell buddy is a "Gud un", :) Cheers John Y
 
Thanks John

They are definitely an illusive bunch that's for sure but most can't go very far now :)

Judy
 
I am talking about any time period but particularly from about 1830 through to the present - haven't managed to get back much further than that

Judy
 
203,4 Back Of 113 Cromwell St,1,Joseph Cutler,Head,M,39,,Labourer,Employed,Birmingham Warwickshire,
,,,Hannah Cutler,Wife,M,,37,Char Woman,Employed,Birmingham Warwickshire,
,,,Alice Cutler,Dau,,,15,Press Worker,,Birmingham Warwickshire,
,,,Mary Ann Cutler,Dau,,,4,Scholar,,Birmingham Warwickshire,
 
A connection? A live conection? And, now you say "sweet dreams"? How much torture do you think one woman can take?

Judy
 
Hi Judy:
I checked the WW1 Collections Canada for the name Cutler and there were 46 CEF soldiers in the database. A great many of these soldiers were from England.
You can view the original enlistment papers online. Also, records from Ottawa may also be obtained.

www.collectionscanada.ca

ALBERT ALFRED CUTLER, b Worcestershire - May 18th, 1882
NOK wife Ada May Cutler

HARRY JOHN CUTLER, b Aug. 8, 1892 , Kidderminster, England

WILLIAM CUTLER, b Worcestershire, Apr. 9th, 1875
NOK - ADA NABBS, 849 Alum Rock Road, Birmingham, sister

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These are the names of the home children who were sent over to Canada to work on farms. My father was born in Birmingham and was a Dr. Barnardos home boy and sent over to Canada in 1906.
brs?s2=cutler&s3=&s7=&s4=&s1=&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=HCHIPEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=HCHI&p=1&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.collectionscanada.ca%2Farchivianet%2F02011003_e.html&r=0&f=S

Surname Given name Age Sex Ship Year of arrival

1 CUTLER Charles H 12 M SS Parisian 1884
2 CUTLER Edith M 10 F Dominion 1906
3 CUTLER Eliza 4 F 1874
4 CUTLER James 21 M Tunisian 1903
5 CUTLER John Harold 9 M SS Sicilian 1912
6 CUTLER Mary 7 F 1874
7 CUTLER W 15 M Tunisian 1906

Best regards
Isobel
 
I have 3 more Birmingham Cutlers from the Great War on my Data Base
T.Cutler Private 2nd Batt Wocestershire Regiment joined uo in 1915 went to France was severely wounded at the Battle of Arras. He lost his left leg through amputation and died in May 1917 through the effects of his injuries. He lived at 12 The Retreat, Bordesley Park Road Small Heath Birmingham
His brother J.S.Cutler Private Royal Welsh Fusiliers who lived at the same address survived the war allthough he was wounded twice in action and was in the following battles Ypres, Hill 60, Loos, Vimy Ridge,Cambrai and the second battle of the Somme he was demobbed in July 1919

Private J.Cutler Coldstream Guards was in the thick of the action from 1914 took part in the Retreat from Mons, Battle of Ypres, Neuve Chapelle and Loos were he was wounded and shipped home and Discharged in 1916 as medically unfit.He then went on to work in the munitions factories and became a manager of a Factory in Wales till the end of the war.He lived at 23 Eva Road Winson Green Birmingham
 
Thanks Cromwell - the information is much appreciated. I don't know where they fit in as yet, but I am sure they do somewhere

Thanks again

Judy
 
Hi,
Used to go to the same school as a Rita Cutler mid 1940s. The family lived on Warren road Washwood Heath. You can still see the houses on Google Earth.
She would have been around 10 years old in 1948. The school was Leigh Road junior school and was just up the road from where she lived. It's not much but every litttle bit helps.
Washwood heath is only a mile or two from Aston.
Regards.
 
Hi. Cromwell,
Warren road does not seem to have changed much in the last 50 years. Leigh Road School still seems to be there although the wood shops seem to have dissappeared. Probably a different denomination now. You used to be able to turn left down Common lane and follow a path by an evil smelling stream to Bromford Bridge and the railway station. That seems to be built over now. Thanks for your reply.
Regards.
 
You are right Rupert the evil smelling stream was in fact alongside the filter beds, the River Rea from that point, we use to go down along the culvert all the way to the Old Crown Digbeth how we survived is a mystery as the sides got very steep and slimey , our entry and exit point was at Saltley when we use to go to the Resa it was the long way round but we liked the adventure.
 
Cromwell your braver than I. There were big rats down there and the smell... wough. I think it must have been something like that in the first world war trenches and I bet your mother had to hang out the washing when you got home. Nice talking to you.
 
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