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tony53

proper brummie kid
Can anyone tell me how to search for children of a relative post the 1911 census.
My relative is George Edward Cooper married to a Gertrude Frances Cooper nee Cooper. They were married 25 December 1909 and as at 1911 census had no children and lived at 14 Barn Street where I believe the family business was located - Pawnbrokers. George also had a sister - Kate, who was living with her mother Alice Frances Cooper nee Pomfret at 365 Cherrywood Road as at the 1911 census. I know someone, tagged Ellie (from Australia) and I do n ot think I know Ellie, has been looking for these people and it seems we have the same dream - to find a living relative in England. If George Edward or Kate fizzle, then it is right back to John Cooper b 1813 or another sibling of my direct relative Samuel Cooper 1815 - 1889. Any directiosn received would be greatly appreciated.
Tony
Australia.
 
hi tony
hope you are well; just reading your thread on coopers and looking at cherrywood rd and speedwell rd which aint to far from each other
i am wondering there is any connection to the george copers family i know whom live in speedwell rd haymills
they have lived there for a decade or two now sibbling was little and grew up there and still live there
and may be our experts whom are all geared up with these registers and dirctorys may do a record chase for you
i myself do not have this facility like those so i cannot do it for you ;
i knew the family very well and my daughter ses the family connections to this george cooper because of george s sibblings married a girl
whom is a james member of the james family
so it may or not may help you still ; best wishes astonian;;
 
I don't know if this will be any help?
From Electoral Rolls
1912-1920 at 365 Cherrywood Road
Alice Frances Cooper
1922 at 365 Cherrywood Road
Alice Frances Cooper and George Edward Cooper
1925-1930 at 365 Cherrywood Road
Alice Frances Cooper and George Edward Cooper and George Edward Pomfret
1935 at 365 Cherrywood Road
Alice Frances Cooper and George Edward Cooper
 
Thank you so much Linda.
This is amazing information.
Creates as many questions as it answers though.
Am I able to search these electoral rolls online?
Kind regards,
Tony Cooper
 
Hello Astonian,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my query.
To my knowledge, the Coopers you speak of are no relation to me. Maybe they have some info. which would indicate otherwise. Worth a search though. This may be politically incorrect but do they have an email address. Or maybe you can show them this site and they can choose whether or not to respond.
Kind Regards,
Tony Cooper
 
Hi Tony,
I access the Birmingham Electoral Rolls online at the site below, you can pay to buy credits to view more details of the initial searches.Not sure if Linda uses the same one, so I would wait for her reply too, as she seems to get more results than I do, but that could be that she is more aware of the site workings.

https://www.midlandshistoricaldata.org/

Sue
 
Hi,I use the same site as Sue!

Don't know if the following helps re George Pomfret?

1911 at 11 Lower Tower St Birmingham
George Pomfret, Brother aged 52 born 1859 Birmingham, Pawnbrokers
Ellen Pomfret, Head aged 54 born 1857 Birmingham, House Maid Domestic

1901 at 11, Back Lower Tower Street, Birmingham
Alice Pomfret, Widow aged 75 born 1826 Wolverhampton, Pawn Broker
Elley Pomfret, Daughter aged 45 born 1856 Birmingham, Pawn Broker
Sarah Ann Pomfret, Daughter Single aged 35 born 1866 Birmingham, Pawn Broker
George Pomfret, Son Single aged 41 born 1860 Birmingham, Pawn Broker
Elizabeth Bathe, Servant Widow aged 51 born 1850 Wellington, Sick Nurse
Minnie Grocutt, Single aged 19 aged 1882 West Bromwich, Gen Domestic Servant

1891 at 164, Heath Street, Birmingham
George Pomfret, Single aged 30 born 1861 Birmingham, Pawnbroker

1881 at 11, Main St, Birmingham
Alice Mary Pomfret, Widow aged 53 born 1828 Hampton in Arden, Pawnbroker
Ellen Selina Pomfret, Daughter aged 23 born 1858 Birmingham, Pawnbroker
George Edward Pomfret, Son aged 22 born 1859 Birmingham, Pawnbroker Assistant
Sarah Ann Pomfret, Daughter aged 16 born 1865 Birmingham,No Occupation
1871 at Moland Street, Birmingham
Alice M Pomfret, aged 43 born 1828 Arden, Baker
Alice F Pomfret, Daughter aged 18 born 1853 Warwickshire
Eliza Pomfret, Daughter aged 17 born 1854 Warwickshire
Eleanor Pomfret, Daughter aged 14 born 1857 Warwickshire
George Pomfret, Son aged 11 born 1860 Warwickshire
Sarah A Pomfret, Daughter aged 5 born 1866 Warwickshire

1861 at 29, Moland Street, Birmingham
Edward Head aged 43 born 1818 Edmonton, Middlesex Baker
Allice Wife aged 35 born 1826 Hampton Lucy, Warwickshire
George Son aged 2 born 1859 Birmingham
Edward Son aged 1 born 1860 Birmingham
Eliza Daughter aged 7 born 1854 Birmingham
Allice F Daughter aged 6 born 1853 Birmingham
Ellen Daughter aged 4 born 1857 Birmingham
Emma Paster, Servant aged 16 born 1845 Birmingham, Domestic Servant

Marriages Sep 1851
Edward Pomfret Aston 16 290
Alice Mary Underhill Aston 16 290

Deaths Jun 1868
Edward Pomfret aged 52 Birmingham 6d 77
Edward Pomfret, baker, died 11 June 1868. His will was proved at Birmingham on the oath of Alice Mary Pomfret of Moland Street,Widow and sole executrix. Effects under £450.

Alice Mary died 15 November 1904. Probate was granted on 20 December to George Edward Pomfret and Richard Samuel Cooper,Pawnbrokers.Effects of £2285 13s 9d.
 
Thanks again Linda. Amazing stuff. But you are still creating more questions than you are solving (I'm smiling)!! Are you able to see when George Edward Cooper and/or Gertrude Frances Cooper (husband and wife) may have died. If not no matter.
Thank you so very much>
Kind Regards,
Tony Cooper.
 
Hello Sue,
Not sure if I,m repeating myself but thank you so much for help and guidance. Very difficult to track things down from Australia without breaking the bank account.
Kind Regards,
Tony Cooper.
 
Just to add to any possible confusion,provide more questions, give no answers and keep the smile on your face..........
There doesn't seem to be a positive death for Gertrude at all!
Do you think they may have divorced or she left him or something?
Looking at the 1911 census, she was calling herself Gertie.
In 1945 there is a Gertie Cooper at 54 Princess Rd,Balsall Heath.By 1947 she had married Harry Kay. Whether or not this is your Gertrude Cooper is very hard to say without obtaining the marriage cert.
Harry Kay married Gertrude Cooper
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1946
Registration district:Birmingham
Inferred County:Warwickshire
Volume Number:9c Page Number:1398

ps Alice Frances Cooper died 19 August 1935.
Probate was granted to George Edward Cooper, Commercial Traveller, on 30 September 1935.
Effects of £723 13s 6d were left.
So we know George was still alive then!

The following are just 2 possible George deaths.

Name:George E Cooper
Birth Date abt 1877
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1962
Age at Death:85
Registration district:Birmingham
Inferred County:Warwickshire
Volume:9c Page:127
This George's last address was 12 Charfield Close,Bournville.He died 26 November 1962 at Selly Oak Hospital.Probate was granted to William Heeks,electrician.Effects of £318 4s
It would appear he was living with a William and Dorothy Eyre (nee Such).
(I can't see a tangible link to your George at the moment)

George E Cooper
Birth Date:abt 1877
Date of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep 1947
Age at Death:70
Registration district:Birmingham
Inferred County:Warwickshire
Volume:9c Page:44
 
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Theres a death for a Gertrude Frances Cooper that seems to fit agewise, in Penzance Cornwall.
Gertrude Frances Cooper, b. 25 March 1883. died Dec 1979 aged 95.
 
Thanks Lynne. I have already sent a reply so if i am repeating myself ..sorry!
I will have to search this gertie out too.
This is a great site..so many people willing to help out..you have no idea how difficult it is to research from Australia....unless you own a bank, and I do not!!
Kind Regards,
Tony Cooper
 
Hey Linda,
You keep creating more questions than you give me answers!!! Keep up the good work.
Fantastic site this.
I have no idea how I could have got this far without your help.
Thank you so much
Tony Cooper.
 
Tony, I know how difficult it is researching from Oz, my interest in genealogy was sparked by my dads cousin, who was born in Oz, but whose parents and parents-in-law were Brummies, she is like a sponge for any info I can send her, so far between us, we have traced her and my dads grandads marriage in USA and another branch of the family, their uncle, who also emigrated to Oz, under something of a black cloud - Mary has met up with her 2nd cousins now, so we have a bit more on the tree, although still haven't found out what caused the major rift within the family! Managed to research Marys dads war history for her, he won medals in WW1, she has one of them, and with the help of the Forum we managed to identify it and his war history.
So yes, it is a great site to be involved with and we are happy to help!
Sue
 
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