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Commonwealth Games, Birmingham 2022
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Artem made the bull, which is an animatronic giant theatre prop built round a telehandler. It was designed to be a performance rather than a permanent display. I imagine a good deal of alteration would be necessary for a longer lasting display. You can read about the construction here. https://www.artem.com/portfolio/895
In the article linked by lyn @ #256 , Artem director Mike Kelt said, "There's bits in it that have to be taken out, so if it was going to exist forever, somebody would have to pay for those bits to stay in it. That isn't an enormous sum of money, but I think storage is the problem. And to move it somewhere is also a problem. It takes quite a bit of effort to move it."
It therefore seems, that if the money could be found to pay "for the bits" and temporary storage for it can be sourced (if necessary) and it can also be moved to storage/a permanent site (as it was from Perry Barr to the city centre, earlier this week), then this could happen after all. Where there's a will there's a way
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We will see. It would need secure weatherproof storage. Because it would need to be protected from vandalism, wouldn't it ? Personally, I don't see the imperative to fossilise a moving art work. I do think the bull is an amazing creation moving and breathing fire. I'll be sure to see it in the metal and foam as opposed to on screen before the games are over, just in case.In the article linked by lyn @ #256 , Artem director Mike Kelt said, "There's bits in it that have to be taken out, so if it was going to exist forever, somebody would have to pay for those bits to stay in it. That isn't an enormous sum of money, but I think storage is the problem. And to move it somewhere is also a problem. It takes quite a bit of effort to move it."
It therefore seems, that if the money could be found to pay "for the bits" and temporary storage for it can be sourced (if necessary) and it can also be moved to storage/a permanent site (as it was from Perry Barr to the city centre, earlier this week), then this could happen after all. Where there's a will there's a way
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I know that Birmingham cannot host all the sports so perhaps should acknowledge that is technically West Midlands games.
Rugby at Coventry and Bowls at Leamington, I was disappointed that the Velodrome used is in London when Derby has a
Velodrome opened in 2015, perhaps it was the seating capacity.
Rugby at Coventry and Bowls at Leamington, I was disappointed that the Velodrome used is in London when Derby has a
Velodrome opened in 2015, perhaps it was the seating capacity.
Radiorails
master brummie
What does Birmingham need another bull for, they already have one. They also had a Bull Ring until bright spark changed the name.
Derby has 1500 permanent seats, with a flexibility for another 2,000 on the infield, so it holds around half as much as The London Stadium does.
We can't get enough bulls can we
? This one is linked with the games, so I think two would be rather nice. 
There used to be another one , though not sure if it is still there:
post 17 at https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/bull-ring-bulls.47986/#post-599351
But this new one is much better and should be kept
post 17 at https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/bull-ring-bulls.47986/#post-599351
But this new one is much better and should be kept
Mark Tooze
master brummie
If they could get it in (and at 10m high that's probably a BIG IF..........) - what about putting it in the entrance hall at Thinktank?
Also watching from Oz mate. Proud as punch we are.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
Noticed that Doctor Johnson managed to be depicted in the Opening Ceremony, despite…
“Dr Samuel Johnson, who married a Birmingham woman, handed out to that city one of the large insults of the 18th century. He called the inhabitants "boobies" who were not to be compared with the men and women of Lichfield, "a city of philosophers."
“Dr Samuel Johnson, who married a Birmingham woman, handed out to that city one of the large insults of the 18th century. He called the inhabitants "boobies" who were not to be compared with the men and women of Lichfield, "a city of philosophers."
'Tetty' Jervis (Johnson's wife) was from Leicestershire and the widow of Henry Porter, a unsuccessful Birmingham merchant. Johnson was associated with Thomas Warren who published the Birmingham Journal. Johnson lived 1709-1784, so he saw early industrial Birmingham. He is far ruder about the Scots! He seems to have had Tourette's, so a brusque manner was his usual way.
The suggested birth of Charlie Chaplin in a Roma caravan in Black Patch Park is fascinating, but remains unproved either way.
The women striking chainmakers were certainly Black Country, but these Games are said to be West Midlands, rather than narrowly B'ham, so their inclusion in the story is welcome.
Well this is the result of the cogitations of three philosophers:
David Hume:
In the philosopher’s 1753 essay, Of National Characters, in which he voiced his suspicion that “negroes” are “naturally inferior to the whites”
Immanuel Kant
"The white race possesses all incentives and talents in itself... The race of Negroes can be educated, but only as slaves... The [indigenous] Americans cannot be educated, they care about nothing and are lazy."
Schopenhauer
his essay "On Women" (Über die Weiber), in which he expressed his opposition to what he called "Teutonico-Christian stupidity" on female affairs. He argued that women are "by nature meant to obey" as they are "childish, frivolous, and short sighted"
Whereas those from Birmingham concentrated on doing something useful and producing things of value to the population.
Like shackles and leg irons you mean? Made in Birmingham and used in Guantánamo. Everyone is a prisoner of the prejudices of their own time. Even us. But thanks for the evil philosophers cut and paste job.
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
The White Slaves of England, chain makers Cradley Heath…
www.womenchainmakers.org.uk
THE ‘WHITE SLAVES’ OF ENGLAND | Women Chainmakers
www.womenchainmakers.org.uk
Wherever historical references are included in these ceremonies inevitably there’s always scope for damning comments about past injustices and prejudicial beliefs. But, although prejudice still exists, I’m thankful we can at least demonstrate we’re moving forward through sport, where there’s a more inclusive culture emerging. Women’s football being a perfect example. As a woman it gives me hope. And it sets young people a good example. Viv.
Thanks for your post Viv. I watched the TV coverage of the swimming at Sandwell last night and saw amazing performances in a beautiful new pool. The para athletes are also incorporated into the same games (unlike the Olympics) and represented on the TV presentation team. One could be sceptical about the Commonwealth as it came about because of the British Empire, but these games, like contemporary young Birmingham are diverse. One of the things which drew me to this forum is that it features history in the title as opposed to 'heritage.' With history we take the rough with the smooth. We only have a symbolic bull, because bulls were once baited with dogs in the city centre. There are many people with Irish connections in Birmingham, only history, as opposed to heritage, will explain why the Republic of Ireland is not a member of the Commonwealth. With hope too for the future, Derek
My son and I went to the first morning of the athletics today. It was really a fine morning's entertainment, with the spectators showing their appreciation for the efforts of each and every athlete. The volunteers were so friendly and helpful. They couldn't do enough to make everyone welcome (both outside & within the stadium). Splendid idea that tickets could be used on public transport (bus, train, metro & shuttle bus) to get you to and from the stadium. I took the shuttle bus from/to Perry Barr station and it was a fast, efficient and friendly service. 10/10 to all concerned in making the event, what it was today. 
shorttermer
knowlegable brummie
3 people on the Forum who previousley lived in Birmingham and I presume now living in Australia.
enjoying the competition, the competitors are all just amazing,
but when it comes to swimming, my father a pom through and through,
was right, for when he told us we were moving to Australia (he said Aussies were such great swimmers)
although none of us boys became sports people as such, we have enjoyed the outdoor life style
Barry
enjoying the competition, the competitors are all just amazing,
but when it comes to swimming, my father a pom through and through,
was right, for when he told us we were moving to Australia (he said Aussies were such great swimmers)
although none of us boys became sports people as such, we have enjoyed the outdoor life style
Barry
aston lad
master brummie
The mountain bike events are being held within 5 minutes drive from where I live today, not looking forward to the extra amount of traffic which it will bring to the area, we have quite a few road works going on at the moment and on a normal day its very bad, so if anyone on here is planning to attend, use public transport if you can cos unless you have paid in advance for a car parking ticket you will have no where to park, even us locals have been banned from parking or even stopping on the roads around the chase..
FNQBRUMMIE
master brummie
Hi Shorttermer, yes and even more amazing all 3 went to Sheldon Heath Comp- must have instilled a sense of adventure in us. Youre right about sport out here, lots of encouragement and opportunities to have a go at any sport, theres basketball courts and tennis courts everywhere. How would you have liked the school sports teacher to ask 'anyone want to do surfing', my son and daughter took advantage! Little chance back in Brum, so far from the sea, we loved our two weeks holidays in Bournemouth. Unfortunately we do take it for granted out here and rarely go for a dip- mind you I'm not keen on sharks and box jellyfish, but the views are spectacular- also no fight for a place on the beach
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