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yes maybe, im just getting used to writing on this site so im a bit slow but ive just been reading about the gothic houses and someone said their neighbors names and the name bullock was mentioned well that was my nans (lily preston)s dads name jack (john)bullock he lived in aston iwonder if it is him i have tried to look at the picture you were talking about and i can,t get to look at it look forward to hearing from you
Susan Stamps
Brummie babby
We lived in Clifton Road, 114, with my brother David, Mom & Dad Vera & Arthur, from ( 1954 to 1960)
Susan Stamps
Brummie babby
Hi Gary, do you remember us the Stamps family at No 114, David my brother & Twins Jean & Christine, Mom & Dad Vera & Arthur?
Re: Clifton Road
Hi newbie, Did you have a brother in law who used to be a bus driver I think his name was Arthur Burford I my self didn't live in Clifton Road I went to school in Upper Thomas Street seniors from 1953 to 1957 I also knew Benny and Lily Burford they were Steward and Stewardess at the Labour Club Victoria Road they moved to Worcester Labour Club I stayed there for a couple of weeks with their son Ben
Hi newbie, Did you have a brother in law who used to be a bus driver I think his name was Arthur Burford I my self didn't live in Clifton Road I went to school in Upper Thomas Street seniors from 1953 to 1957 I also knew Benny and Lily Burford they were Steward and Stewardess at the Labour Club Victoria Road they moved to Worcester Labour Club I stayed there for a couple of weeks with their son Ben
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jason moss
hi Louisa my name is Jason moss
lily was my nan and Arthur and daisy was my dad and mom. liked your post about my great nan, and would like to know more, has Im trying to do my family tree.[
are you Thomas or George's daughter, please get in contact.
=Louisa;75810]Thanks for all the memories and information about Clifton Road. My Grandmother Louisa Moss lived at no 30 Clifton Road from 1920 until she died there in 1959.
Faye you answered a query I was going to have to look up to add to my family history and it was the name of the pub on the corner of Clifton road. I had been racking my brains to remember it.
I remember it was a bone of contention with my mother that on Saturday nights and Sunday dinnertime my father met up with his mother and all his family in the pub on the corner of Clifton Road and usually came home tipsy.
My memories as a very youg child was of having to wait outside the pub for my father and I can vividly remember the sudden smell of beer and a thick smokey haze as the door to the pub opened and men tumbled out, and I could hear my granny singing at the top of her voice.
My mother thought the family were common being boatmen and granny also sniffed snuff and was the boss in the family talking twenty to the dozen and ruling the roost. She often got in squables with the neighbours and at the pub. My father was arrested once for being drunk and disorderly in Clifton Road and she was at the bottom of the pub row he got into. My mother refused to stand bail for him to learn him a lesson and there was a big row with my granny who had to go herself and bail my father out of the police station which I think was at Victoria road but could be wrong. I think the bail money was ten shillings. Needless to say he was still grannys favourite.
She didnt like me to go to my grannys at all as she thought I would pick up bad habits ie bad manners.
My mother would have been mortified if she found out I had gone to fetch a jug of beer from the outdoor in Clifton Road for my granny, but I wasnt sure if it was at the pub as you also mentioned an outdoor on the same road. My memory is a bit hazy after over 50 years.
My one regret now is that I didnt take too much notice of the family information that I would not find most useful to add to my family history. Everyone that would know anything has now passed on.[/QUOTE]
lily was my nan and Arthur and daisy was my dad and mom. liked your post about my great nan, and would like to know more, has Im trying to do my family tree.[
are you Thomas or George's daughter, please get in contact.
=Louisa;75810]Thanks for all the memories and information about Clifton Road. My Grandmother Louisa Moss lived at no 30 Clifton Road from 1920 until she died there in 1959.
Faye you answered a query I was going to have to look up to add to my family history and it was the name of the pub on the corner of Clifton road. I had been racking my brains to remember it.
I remember it was a bone of contention with my mother that on Saturday nights and Sunday dinnertime my father met up with his mother and all his family in the pub on the corner of Clifton Road and usually came home tipsy.
My memories as a very youg child was of having to wait outside the pub for my father and I can vividly remember the sudden smell of beer and a thick smokey haze as the door to the pub opened and men tumbled out, and I could hear my granny singing at the top of her voice.
My mother thought the family were common being boatmen and granny also sniffed snuff and was the boss in the family talking twenty to the dozen and ruling the roost. She often got in squables with the neighbours and at the pub. My father was arrested once for being drunk and disorderly in Clifton Road and she was at the bottom of the pub row he got into. My mother refused to stand bail for him to learn him a lesson and there was a big row with my granny who had to go herself and bail my father out of the police station which I think was at Victoria road but could be wrong. I think the bail money was ten shillings. Needless to say he was still grannys favourite.
She didnt like me to go to my grannys at all as she thought I would pick up bad habits ie bad manners.
My mother would have been mortified if she found out I had gone to fetch a jug of beer from the outdoor in Clifton Road for my granny, but I wasnt sure if it was at the pub as you also mentioned an outdoor on the same road. My memory is a bit hazy after over 50 years.
My one regret now is that I didnt take too much notice of the family information that I would not find most useful to add to my family history. Everyone that would know anything has now passed on.[/QUOTE]
Ray Barrett
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN R.I.P.
Hello Jason.
The three three pubs on corners were "The bricklayers Arms" on the corner of Potters Hill, "The Crown" on the corner of Upper Sutton St.and the "Golden Lion" on the corner of Upper Thomas St.At No.100 was the outdoor kept by Dolly Mellon her husband had played football for Aston Villa.
The three three pubs on corners were "The bricklayers Arms" on the corner of Potters Hill, "The Crown" on the corner of Upper Sutton St.and the "Golden Lion" on the corner of Upper Thomas St.At No.100 was the outdoor kept by Dolly Mellon her husband had played football for Aston Villa.
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jason moss
was dolly`s partner who played for aston villa frank moss?
Hello Jason.
The three three pubs on corners were "The bricklayers Arms" on the corner of Potters Hill, "The Crown" on the corner of Upper Sutton St.and the "Golden Lion" on the corner of Upper Thomas St.At No.100 was the outdoor kept by Dolly Mellon her husband had played football for Aston Villa.[/QUOTE]
Hello Jason.
The three three pubs on corners were "The bricklayers Arms" on the corner of Potters Hill, "The Crown" on the corner of Upper Sutton St.and the "Golden Lion" on the corner of Upper Thomas St.At No.100 was the outdoor kept by Dolly Mellon her husband had played football for Aston Villa.[/QUOTE]
Re: Clifton Road
gpops
I have a family here in Canada of Benny and Lily who are looking for their descendants there. Benny and his siblings were separated early in their lives - one sister, Bessie was sent to Canada by the Dr. Barnardo Homes. She never saw her twin sister Belinda ever again - she'd always thought she died in the home back in England, which she hadn't. Two of the siblings died young. Ben, the only surviving sibling in England had posted an ad in a newspaper here in Canada looking for his sister - which she happened to see. Bessie did travel to the UK to visit the family at one point - but her Grandchildren have no idea about this family and are looking for their cousins there. You were speaking about this family in your posting so I am hoping you might be able to help me get in touch with these descendants. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
gpops
I have a family here in Canada of Benny and Lily who are looking for their descendants there. Benny and his siblings were separated early in their lives - one sister, Bessie was sent to Canada by the Dr. Barnardo Homes. She never saw her twin sister Belinda ever again - she'd always thought she died in the home back in England, which she hadn't. Two of the siblings died young. Ben, the only surviving sibling in England had posted an ad in a newspaper here in Canada looking for his sister - which she happened to see. Bessie did travel to the UK to visit the family at one point - but her Grandchildren have no idea about this family and are looking for their cousins there. You were speaking about this family in your posting so I am hoping you might be able to help me get in touch with these descendants. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Re: Clifton Road
gpops, just so your not confused about which message I'm interested in, its the family of Benny and Lily Burford - Benny's sister's family here in Canada is looking for their relatives in the UK.
gpops, just so your not confused about which message I'm interested in, its the family of Benny and Lily Burford - Benny's sister's family here in Canada is looking for their relatives in the UK.
Hi Ray. My name is Robert Burley and my Father was Arthur Burley who kept the Bricklayers arms. In fact I was born upstairs in the pub in February 1952 and if you have any photos of the place I would be very pleased to see them. Very few of the pictures you have put on the site seem to be available today. I am intrigued by your description of my grandmother as "the bookmaker Mrs Burley". I know a few things about her but this one was new to me.
1940's and 1950's
My mom lived at number 3, back of 34 Clifton road; her maiden name was Rainey, she went to Upper Thomas street junior school till 11, then went to Vicarage road school till 15
...her mom and dad was Elsie and George Rainey.
My dad originally lived at number 3, back of 47 Whitehead road and went to Prince Albert junior and infant school and then Upper Thomas street school till he was 15; after his mom and dad moved to
113 Tower road (used to be a porn brokers shop previously).......his mom and dad were Leonard Arthur and Evelyn Hailing (Leonard Arthur served in the army and ended up in Burma)
My mom and dad (both born in 1939) got married and bought a house on Tower road; number 3 located at the back of 134.......... Leonard Derrick and Christine Hailing
(They moved out due to compulsory purchase order)
My aunt and uncle; Brenda and Derek Mansell lived a few doors away from 113 Tower road during the same time.
My dad's granddad owned the sweet shop "Neals?" on Brearley street.
Note: Someone has posted a photo of my mom's house when she was little.............. it brought a tear to her eye when I showed her the picture yesterday.
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My mom lived at number 3, back of 34 Clifton road; her maiden name was Rainey, she went to Upper Thomas street junior school till 11, then went to Vicarage road school till 15
...her mom and dad was Elsie and George Rainey.
My dad originally lived at number 3, back of 47 Whitehead road and went to Prince Albert junior and infant school and then Upper Thomas street school till he was 15; after his mom and dad moved to
113 Tower road (used to be a porn brokers shop previously).......his mom and dad were Leonard Arthur and Evelyn Hailing (Leonard Arthur served in the army and ended up in Burma)
My mom and dad (both born in 1939) got married and bought a house on Tower road; number 3 located at the back of 134.......... Leonard Derrick and Christine Hailing
(They moved out due to compulsory purchase order)
My aunt and uncle; Brenda and Derek Mansell lived a few doors away from 113 Tower road during the same time.
My dad's granddad owned the sweet shop "Neals?" on Brearley street.
Note: Someone has posted a photo of my mom's house when she was little.............. it brought a tear to her eye when I showed her the picture yesterday.
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jason moss
can I ask if you new my the family moss or cashmore at 32 Clifton rd.
Re: Clifton Road Coal Merchant
My mom dated Kenny Baglin for a short time when she was about 14
Around 10 years ago my mom and dad bumped into him near Kingstanding
She thinks she remembers that he lived by Peacocks shop on Upper Sutton street, but the coal yard was in Clifton road
Mom also dated Frankie White (painter and decorator) who rode a Bantam motorbike? (his brother was a policeman)
My mom dated Kenny Baglin for a short time when she was about 14
Around 10 years ago my mom and dad bumped into him near Kingstanding
She thinks she remembers that he lived by Peacocks shop on Upper Sutton street, but the coal yard was in Clifton road
Mom also dated Frankie White (painter and decorator) who rode a Bantam motorbike? (his brother was a policeman)
chrisyates
New Member
Hi Tom
I know that it has been a few years since you placed your quote on this site. I do hope you are well. I remember you very well. I was the Leader In Charge of the Life Boys or the Junior Brigade as it was later called. My name was Christine Yates and although I lived in Erdington, my dad Arthur Yates had a butchers shop in Clifton Road next to the coal yard. I was engaged and later married David Skellum also an officer in the Boys Brigade who lived in Tower Road and I well remember the band practices and summer camps we went to. Such great fun. It was David who introduced and got me involved in the junior brigade and we had 20+ lads all from the local area. Sadly David and I divorced in 1972 and I moved away from Birmingham although I believe that David happily remarried and lives and works in Sutton Coldfield . I have been married now for 42 years to my husband Norman and have lived in Cheshire for the past 30 of those years. I have a son aged 41 who married last year but we have no grandchildren as yet- still hoping. I will always look back on my days at the mission with much pleasure and the good times we all shared. My very warmest wishes to you and anyone who may remember me as their Leader In Charge! Christine Yates (now Swerling)
I know that it has been a few years since you placed your quote on this site. I do hope you are well. I remember you very well. I was the Leader In Charge of the Life Boys or the Junior Brigade as it was later called. My name was Christine Yates and although I lived in Erdington, my dad Arthur Yates had a butchers shop in Clifton Road next to the coal yard. I was engaged and later married David Skellum also an officer in the Boys Brigade who lived in Tower Road and I well remember the band practices and summer camps we went to. Such great fun. It was David who introduced and got me involved in the junior brigade and we had 20+ lads all from the local area. Sadly David and I divorced in 1972 and I moved away from Birmingham although I believe that David happily remarried and lives and works in Sutton Coldfield . I have been married now for 42 years to my husband Norman and have lived in Cheshire for the past 30 of those years. I have a son aged 41 who married last year but we have no grandchildren as yet- still hoping. I will always look back on my days at the mission with much pleasure and the good times we all shared. My very warmest wishes to you and anyone who may remember me as their Leader In Charge! Christine Yates (now Swerling)
BirminghamLynda
proper brummie kid
My dad attended Clifton Road School in the 1930's.
Louisa
master brummie
Some of the houses in Clifton Road seem to have different layouts. I am particularly interested in the layout of 30 Clifton Road.
This is my granny's house and I was in it many times as a child and in my minds eye I can see the parlour and back room quite vividly but even though I was upstairs in the house how many bedrooms the house had and whether they had a scullery or inside toilet escapes me now.
Hope someone can help jog my memory.
Louisa
This is my granny's house and I was in it many times as a child and in my minds eye I can see the parlour and back room quite vividly but even though I was upstairs in the house how many bedrooms the house had and whether they had a scullery or inside toilet escapes me now.
Hope someone can help jog my memory.
Louisa
Ray Barrett
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN R.I.P.
Hello Robert,Sorry I have taken so long to reply.Well,I would be proud to say "I was the son of Arthur Burley" he was my "corner man " when I Boxed as a lad,him and his brother Jack used to train us at Upper Thomas St.school.The last time I saw him was on a visit to "The Bricklayers" and the last time I saw Jack was in a pub near Droitwtich,he lived nearby. You live in Rugby.Well, I go there often,was there this week,I now live in Daventry.
Jack lived about 100yards from the pub in Droitwich,saw him in there a few times.He was also, along with his bro Arthur our corner men.We had one in each corner at U.T.S.during an early boxing tournament,opponents couldn't be found for us little 'uns so they put 4 of us in a corner each and we had battle royal.me cousin Jim Smith,Alan Williams,"nipper Ford and myself Ray barrett.I also have a boxing Bill from 1949.Oh,and I now live in Daventry.
Jack lived about 100yards from the pub in Droitwich,saw him in there a few times.He was also, along with his bro Arthur our corner men.We had one in each corner at U.T.S.during an early boxing tournament,opponents couldn't be found for us little 'uns so they put 4 of us in a corner each and we had battle royal.me cousin Jim Smith,Alan Williams,"nipper Ford and myself Ray barrett.I also have a boxing Bill from 1949.Oh,and I now live in Daventry.
Wingmaster
New Member
Hi. I'm new to this forum.
My parents lived in Clifton road, as did I up until the age of 5. We moved out in 1964. My parents are Barry and Brenda Birch who rented the rear of a butchers shop just up from Baglins coal yard. I haven't a clue what it was called. I think we lived at 132(a) Clifton Road. My dads parents lived opposite, up an alleyway. His mom was Minnie Birch, his dad was Henry Alfred Birch, their address was 2/147 Clifton Road. My mom's parents lived in Park Lane, Percy Webster was her dads name, I'll have to see if I can find out her moms and the exact address....(I remember as a small child walking past the cobblers on Park Lane with a giant policeman painted on the wall). I also remember a grocers, Hunts?, at the bottom of Clifton road and a grocery store on Upper Sutton Street between Clifton Road and Victoria Road, my parents referred to it as Connies I think.
I've had a look through the site and am struggling to find many photos of Clifton Road or Park Lane as most of them are showing 'attached thumbnail' and won't open. I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to re-upload any they have.
My parents lived in Clifton road, as did I up until the age of 5. We moved out in 1964. My parents are Barry and Brenda Birch who rented the rear of a butchers shop just up from Baglins coal yard. I haven't a clue what it was called. I think we lived at 132(a) Clifton Road. My dads parents lived opposite, up an alleyway. His mom was Minnie Birch, his dad was Henry Alfred Birch, their address was 2/147 Clifton Road. My mom's parents lived in Park Lane, Percy Webster was her dads name, I'll have to see if I can find out her moms and the exact address....(I remember as a small child walking past the cobblers on Park Lane with a giant policeman painted on the wall). I also remember a grocers, Hunts?, at the bottom of Clifton road and a grocery store on Upper Sutton Street between Clifton Road and Victoria Road, my parents referred to it as Connies I think.
I've had a look through the site and am struggling to find many photos of Clifton Road or Park Lane as most of them are showing 'attached thumbnail' and won't open. I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to re-upload any they have.
I am new to this forum, but I noticed the name Jennings in the Clifton Road thread. I only found out today that my parents, Leslie and Cath Jennings ( plus me a first born), lived in 264 Clifton Road in the early 1950's before moving to Great Barr. It would be nice to know if anybody remembers the names. Unlikely I know.
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master brummie
I think the name of the shop in the first photo on the corner of Park Lane/Upper Thomas Street was Ingrams. Can anyone confirm?
Hi scarlet
The second picture you look at on park lane looking down the park lane to the. Cross on the right hand of the picture of the picture
There is three shops and a van being loaded that was my grand parents business,s they had all three of those shops and where you see the drive
On the pavement which in the picture is the second one down by the shops behind those shops up the opening g between those shops
Was a rear back house owned by them as well they rented it to the macks family for donkeys years
The three shops in question was a fish and chip shop and a coffee shop and the middle between the shops was there catering business
Named jelfs Crockery hire and there two storey ware house for grocery provisions for all there coffee shops around birminghamAnd at the very bottom of the picture you see a picture of latams that was also there coffee shop for many years from at least the 1930 til around the 1953/4 when they sold it to Latham's
They also had the fish and chip shop next to the billiard hall opersite which was next to the billiard hall on the cross
And my father ran the bar there inside up stairs and he also done all the relieved for the surrounding pubs around the Aston cross for all the gathers of the pubs around and also ran the golden cross pub for many years right up until he died in 1958 he also ran a news agents shop on Victoria red oppersite
The Victoria road police station in the thirty /forty for my grand parents Jelfs until one day grand father tried to tell him how to run the shop
So he told him gets some one else and left it to him my mother was born at number 4 parilment street Aston
He lived in George road erdinton and they met at another coffee shop of jelfs /my grand parents the one on park road hockley
And he courted her from there home address in new canal street when they was young and he worked at Charles harris,
Bakelite moulders in lodge road Shockley he only got the job because Charles was an old flame of my mother from ever sham
When they was young and he was well in with the jelfs in the village
Best wishes astonian,,,,
The second picture you look at on park lane looking down the park lane to the. Cross on the right hand of the picture of the picture
There is three shops and a van being loaded that was my grand parents business,s they had all three of those shops and where you see the drive
On the pavement which in the picture is the second one down by the shops behind those shops up the opening g between those shops
Was a rear back house owned by them as well they rented it to the macks family for donkeys years
The three shops in question was a fish and chip shop and a coffee shop and the middle between the shops was there catering business
Named jelfs Crockery hire and there two storey ware house for grocery provisions for all there coffee shops around birminghamAnd at the very bottom of the picture you see a picture of latams that was also there coffee shop for many years from at least the 1930 til around the 1953/4 when they sold it to Latham's
They also had the fish and chip shop next to the billiard hall opersite which was next to the billiard hall on the cross
And my father ran the bar there inside up stairs and he also done all the relieved for the surrounding pubs around the Aston cross for all the gathers of the pubs around and also ran the golden cross pub for many years right up until he died in 1958 he also ran a news agents shop on Victoria red oppersite
The Victoria road police station in the thirty /forty for my grand parents Jelfs until one day grand father tried to tell him how to run the shop
So he told him gets some one else and left it to him my mother was born at number 4 parilment street Aston
He lived in George road erdinton and they met at another coffee shop of jelfs /my grand parents the one on park road hockley
And he courted her from there home address in new canal street when they was young and he worked at Charles harris,
Bakelite moulders in lodge road Shockley he only got the job because Charles was an old flame of my mother from ever sham
When they was young and he was well in with the jelfs in the village
Best wishes astonian,,,,