CLARKE, Alfred and Sarah

[matchpoint]

I'm looking for anything on Alfred CLARKE and Sarah (Turner) CLARKE, husband and wife.

Sarah died 23 Dec. 1932, Erdington district, age 74. No birth information.

No information on Alfred at all, other than that he was a glass blower.

They had a daughter, Edith Mary, born 28 April 1899 Birmingham; died 26 Sept 1982 Vancouver Canada. Other children were Alice, Frank, Jack, and the a daughter listed on Sarah's death certificate, G. Bowen.

They're proving to be a tough branch on the tree! Any information is appreciated. Thanks!

 

[bren]

Hi matchpoint

Firstly, i cannot find Alfred and Sarah with their family in the 1901 Census.
I have also looked for the birth of Edith Mary in Birmingham in the period you give, not there. There was two other births in the same period and place --

Edith Marjorie Clarke 2nd qtr 1899 Aston 6d 416
Edith May Clarke 2nd qtr 1899 Birmingham 6d 213

bren

 

[bren]

This must be them in 1881, suspect you already have this --

Name:Alfred Clarke
Age:28
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1853
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Sarah
Gender:Male
Where born:B Ham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:Aston
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address:Bk 202 6 Heneage St
Condition as to marriage:Married
Occupation: Glass Blower
Registration district:Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel:33

Household Members:NameAge
Alfred Clarke28 All born Birmingham
Beatrice Clarke 2months
Kate Clarke3
Sarah Clarke22
Charles Handley22 visitors
Charles Handley1
Maria Handley24

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3031; Folio: 97; Page: 22; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341724.

This looks like the marriage --

Alfred Clarke/Sarah Turner 1st qtr 1877 Aston 6d 361

If you don't already have this i would send for it, apart from anything else it will have the name of both of their fathers on there.

Births --

Kate Clarke 2nd qtr 1878 Aston 6d 356
Beatrice Clarke 1st qtr 1881 Aston 6d 357


1881 Census was taken on the 3rd of April

bren

 

[matchpoint]

Thanks for that information. I didn't have it before. The children's names don't add up. I can only think that these children passed away, though Edith never mentioned that. If that's not the case, I'm at a loss. It's like something in the family stories just isn't true.

One question: were prison inmates counted on the census or was there a separate record for them?

 

[bren]

This looks like part of the family in 1891 --

Name:Sarah ClarkAge:32
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1859
Relation:Head
Gender:Female
Where born:Aston, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish:Aston
Ecclesiastical parish:St Anne
County/Island:Warwickshire
Country:England
Street address: Bk 150 Devon Street
Occupation: Dress Maker
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Registration district:Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel:39

Household Members:NameAge
Annie Bardell27
Alfred J Clark7
Beatrice Clark10
Kate Clark13
Sarah Clark32
Eliza Turner18
Emma Turner23

Sarah is the head of the house, with her are her two daughters from the 1881 census and now a son, the other three women are her sisters.

No chance of this Alfred being the father of Alice, Frank and Jack who you mentioned in your first post, this looks like his death --

Alfred Clark 31yrs 2nd qtr 1884 Aston 6d 209.

This is either the wrong family or there is a lot more to find out in later years but as yet i cannot find anything better.
Might help if you tell us everything you know or have been told, as with a lot of these "family stories" there is always an element of both fact and fiction in the attempt to "hide" something.

Someone else might look at this and spot something, we hope

bren

 

[bren]

Sorry, forgot to answer your question, yes the enumerator listed all those in prison on the day of the census, in theory nobody escaped the enumerator

bren

 

[Pomgolian]

This is all I could find that may come close to your request, apart from what Bren has already posted.

Marriages Mar 1881
CLARKE Alfred Birmingham 6d70
SKIDMORE Sarah Birmingham 6d70
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Marriages Jun 1884
Clark Alfred Aston 6d472
Thornton Sarah Aston 6d472
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And this one where the Husband is James and in 1891 Sarah is living with here parents with a Henry, Alice and Mary.


Marriages Sep 1884
Clarke James Coventry 6d603
FURLONG Sarah Jane Coventry 6d603

1891 Census
6 Records found
Place: Coventry -Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Ss Michael With John
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Michael
Address: 3 Ct 3 Hse Jordan Well

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
FURLONG Charles Head M M 70 Nil (Imbecile) Warwickshire - Coventry Disability: Imbecl
FURLONG Ann Wife M F 59 - Leicestershire - Lutterworth
CLARKE Sarah Lodger M F 33 Silk Picker Northamptonshire - Welford
CLARKE Henry Grnson - M 5 - Warwickshire - Coventry
CLARKE Alice Grndau - F 3 - Warwickshire - Coventry
CLARKE Mary Grndau - F 7m - Warwickshire - Coventry
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You also emquired about Prisons...

1891 Census
Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 21
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Chrysostom
Address: 39 Perrott St

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born
CLERK James Head M M 40 Prison Warden. (Em'ee) Warwickshire - All Saints B'ham
CLERK Sarah Minni Wife M F 29 Kent - Hawkhurst
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Not sure if this is any help at all, but it gives you something to ponder on at least.

Pom

 

[matchpoint]

Thanks, bren! Your information did turn out to be correct. It turns out that Sarah remarried another man named Clark/Clarke after Alfred died and the family tree descends from that second husband. Very complicated! So, a new request...

Any suggestions on finding information on Frank Clark, born circa 1863 in Northern Ireland? Is there an Irish genealogy website or census information online that anyone can recommend?