Church Tavern Perry Barr Little Perry

[izabellanne]

Edit. Copied from the Perry Barr thread .....
The stream used to run under a litle bridge in to the CHURCH TAVERN gardens, one day some boys pinched my shoes while I was paddling and catching fish and threw them in the stream , they floated away under the bridge. I was terrified to go home and tell my Mom.
So many memories....

 

[Vivienne14]

Slightly baffled about these cottages next to the Church Tavern on Church Road. Not sure where they are on the 1904 map. I can't seem to see them in relation to the Church Tavern. In fact I can't see the Church Tavern marked on the map. Any ideas when it was built? First two pics are of Church Tavern today, with cottages to the right. Second pic of Church Tavern c1900. I notice there's another cottage to the left of the Tavern in the top picture.

Is the entrance to the Tavern off Church Lane, not parallel to it? That would place it on the same orientation as the cottages next to the present day Tavern. Viv.

 

[mikejee]

Viv
Very often smaller pubs are not marked. Usually, though not always, it is because they have a beerhouse licence. It is shown as a P.H on the 1937 map, and this corresponds to the building marked with the same red arow on the 1904 map. They seem to be different shapes though, and it looks like they may be different buildings. church Lane Perry barr is not listed in the 1904 birmingham Kellys, presumably because it was outside the arae covered,so i do not know whether there was a pub there then.

 

[Vivienne14]

Thanks Mike. So the pub is pre-1904 and I wondered if was built in mock Tudor style to make it look much older. It was extended, in the 1930s. I've tried to place the cottages next door using the river. Do you think they're the green dot then? The red dots are the river and the blue dots the Church Tavern.Viv.

 

[Astoness]

viv the church tavern we see today is clearly not the original one.. well it does not look like it to me....i was using the pub in the early 70s and cant remember the front extention being there then...i will make some enquires at the pub when i go down there on saturday...they may even have some old photos dotted about the place..

lyn

 

[Vivienne14]

Yes Lyn it certainly seems so. I've been trying to work out if the building (whether it was pub/beer house/residential) was there in the 1830s. I think the 1830s map catches just this glimpse right at the edge. Or am I imagining it? But not sure about the cottages next door as I think the map falls short of that area. Whatever the answer, the cottages must still be a remnant of the old Perry Village. Viv.

 

[Astoness]

think you are right viv...looks like i will have to go knocking on cottages doors then to see if they know the age of them but am not climbing over walls lol..

 

[Vivienne14]

Had a look at the 1895 map and I can see the cottages (red dot) and I think there's a building (blue dot) between the river and a lane/access road in front if the cottages. This looks like where the Church Tavern now stands. So a building of some sort has been there at least since 1895. Again on this map it's not marked as an PH or Inn (as is the Boar's Head further north). Viv.

 

[Vivienne14]

Been studying the photos we have of the Church Tavern and a photo of "Little Perry" includes a view if the Church Tavern. In the "Little Perry" image, the cottage doesn't look like a tavern as such, no pub sign etc although that doesn't mean it wasn't some sort of beer house. And the cottage in the distance (middle) behind the children in the Little Perry image would have been in the centre of what is now the Church Tavern car park.

Also another photo of Perry Cottage. Viv.

 

[Vivienne14]

A view of the Church Tavern (sorry no date) and a modern Streetview for comparison. Much changed. I suspect (just a hunch) the Church Tavern has simply been added to over time and expect the original Tavern is still there underneath all those additions. The cottages on the roadside towards Aldridge Road have now gone. The odd thing sticking out of the cottage chimney (a weather vane ?) has appeared before on another thread and viewed from the other direction. Viv.

 

[Vivienne14]

Don't know the date Lyn, Bill Dargue in the extract above calls Perry Village and Little Perry "the old hamlet". So they must be one and the same thing. The image below of the children outside the Church Tavern is labelled Little Perry - now on Church Road




Then this image is labelled Church Lane Little Perry.


The only thing I can think of is maybe when Perry Village was no longer part of Handsworth parish (in 1833 according to Bill Dargue) it was decided to distinguish this from the Handsworth Church Lane. All speculation, but it must have at one time been called Church Lane. It's also known from an earlier post (#66) on this thread that it was referred to as Church Lane by locals even in relatively modern times. Viv.

 

[mikejee]

A charming early 1890s photo of the Church Tavern, Church Lane, Perry Barr, Peaceful, and with the lady of the house possibly drying her unmentiionables in the top right hand window. Below maps from 1902 and the 1950s, showing that the building has considerably changed between those years

 

[Pedrocut]

The picture is on EBay and £22.50, down as Perry Barr. Church Tavern # 360 by Geo. E.Lewis, Birmingham.

Also a coloured version for £5.

 

[Pedrocut]

Flash floods at Church Tavern and Great Barr.

 

[Mark Tooze]

The road and pub have flooded many times over the years. My aunt used to live directly opposite the pub - I can remember a flood around 40 years ago - my cousin and myself had to smash out a brick wall around the top of the brook with sledgehammers to let the floodwater drain off. Water comes from the canal which overflows into the park pools which overflows into the brook. I.e: it stunk to high hell as well......

 

[Vivienne14]

I've copied a few early posts about the Church Tavern to this thread from the Perry Village thread and Perry Barr thread.

The Church Tavern location was once known as 'Little Perry'

 

[Astoness]

its a shame but to my mind this pub has been ruined by all of the extra buildings its had added over the years hiding any of the original frontage..i used to go in there quite a lot about 55 years and i cant recall it looking like it does now also been it a few times in recent years and does not give the feel of an old building.. maybe mark will remember what it was like when his aunt lived opposite ..lyn

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